Joey Barton

cheekybids said:
Nedum is by far the best pundit out there, so balanced & articulate with no agenda but providing facts without a bias or trying to create a narrative.

Nedum has also outed Barton for being a grade 1 **** & a bully years ago.

Having said all that if Barton can “take 1 with him” & chooses a **** like Neville then I’m all for it.
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I love Nedum as he hates the Rags with a passion. He stated this in a Q & A Session last season at our Mid Cheshire Branch Meeting.
Top bloke.
 
FightLikeAGirl said:
Just popping in to say that this? Is why I stopped posting here (this thread came up on a search). Because I am a woman and I am a football fan and according to posters like this, I don’t belong here. Even if I was a City fan, I wouldn’t belong here.

Barton doesn’t have a problem with men commentating on women’s games. Odd, that.
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Honestly please don`t stop posting as you`re more than welcome on this forum. Every club has its knobheads so please accept my apologies on behalf of the vast majority of Blue Mooners if you feel you`ve been subjected to stupid comments from the odd ones.
As the old saying goes "don`t let the bastards grind you down".
 
Barton’s ramblings is interesting reading up to a point. I am not a big fan of any pundits as most of them actually ruin the enjoyment of watching football.

I don’t like Neville so when Barton has a go at the all knowing one then I find it refreshing. When he has a go at female pundits, I can see the point he is trying to make. When did it become not ok to discuss complex situations without being deemed anti woke, misogynist, racist or whatever else? It’s far too easy to shut down conversations throwing these accusations about.

Worst thing for me in all this is the side taking. Everything has to be black and white, right or wrong and 99% of the time it is just not possible, certainly not in the real world.

The internet and social media has ramped up some sort of mixed up reality.

It’s all fucked up. If you want to get upset about Barton get upset, if you agree with him, that’s also fine. Shutting down debate is not. As an individual, you have a right to be offended but that does not mean everyone has to be offended and outraged.

We all know he is a thug and we all know he is trying to make money from the situation. We also know that some people do get jobs to tick boxes. Getting upset that this all happens is not worth the energy.

I do hope he continues to wind up Neville. Don’t forget this person caused a riot and got a game called off amongst other things. He has been allowed to spout lies constantly with spit on sky sports to reinforce his own agenda. So who is the worst person? Barton or Neville?
 
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wolviedinho said:
Barton’s ramblings is interesting reading up to a point. I am not a big fan of any pundits as most of them actually ruin the enjoyment of watching football.

I don’t like Neville so when Barton has a go at the all knowing one then I find it refreshing. When he has a go at female pundits, I can see the point he is trying to make. When did it become not ok to discuss complex situations without being deemed anti woke, misogynist, racist or whatever else? It’s far too easy to shut down conversations throwing these accusations about.

Worst thing for me in all this is the side taking. Everything has to be black and white, right or wrong and 99% of the time it is just not possible, certainly not in the real world.

The internet and social media has ramped up some sort of mixed up reality.

It’s all fucked up. If you want to get upset about Barton get upset, if you agree with him, that’s also fine. Shutting down debate is not.

We all know he is a thug and we all know he is trying to make money from the situation. We also know that some people do get jobs to tick boxes. Getting upset that this all happens is not worth the energy.

I do hope he continues to wind up Neville. Don’t forget this person caused a riot and got a game called amongst other things. He has been allowed to spout lies constantly with spit on sky sports to reinforce his own agenda. So who is the worst person? Barton or Neville?
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Superb post.

Nailed it.
 
FightLikeAGirl said:
Just popping in to say that this? Is why I stopped posting here (this thread came up on a search). Because I am a woman and I am a football fan and according to posters like this, I don’t belong here. Even if I was a City fan, I wouldn’t belong here.

Barton doesn’t have a problem with men commentating on women’s games. Odd, that.
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I don’t agree with this.

I don’t believe you should be a pundit on the mens top level game.

But I also don’t believe I should be a pundit on the mens top level game.

I believe the pundits should be people able to offer insight from the standpoint of being experts in their field that have walked the walk and have been exactly where the players they are that they’re discussing.

I don’t believe the women’s game is anywhere near that level (see best female team in the world losing 6-0 to a middling team of under 16’s). So I don’t believe that the female pundits have anymore right than you or I to discuss how Foden’s performing playing in the hole etc etc.

Now the broadcasters also seem to believe that their pundits should have played at the top level. (That’s why we only see former PL/WSL players being pundits - they don’t employ men (or women) that played several divisions lower. The difference being that some people believe the WSL is equivalent to the PL whereas some people don’t.

In reality, the majority of the male pundits are fucking wank as well (Carragher, Owen, that **** Merson etc etc) so it’s not like the female pundits appear to be denying jobs to intelligent and articulate ex-players (mainly because they usually end up in management I’d say). As such, I don’t really have an issue with women pundit-ing on the mens game because it’s already not a meritocracy, but surely they can do better than Eni fucking Aluko.
 
Worsleyweb said:
He is right about the women commentators to a degree. I watched a game the other day and 3 of the 4 women and it was painful to watch. He Still goes too far though. I was at a game yestrday and debated the women commentary thing and every single person agreed with him and this was just ten mid 40s blokes - all decent fellas. Should be allowed the opinion to say it has gone to far. It’s a very different game the men’s and women’s game.
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He's taken it too far, but like you, I agree to a certain point. On the whole it's hard work to listen to. I barely watch the build up now or listen to the supposed analysis at half and full time. I'll distract myself with other stuff at half time. The only one I really have any time for is that Emma Hayes.

I remember a number of years ago when the box ticking started and they were talking to the panellists about playing in the FA Cup Final. They started with Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard and then started talking to Alex Scott as though it was the same thing. I just rolled my eyes. Slightly different to a game in front of a packed 90k stadium and watched by millions around the world to somebody's family turning up and a dog.
 
FightLikeAGirl said:
Just popping in to say that this? Is why I stopped posting here (this thread came up on a search). Because I am a woman and I am a football fan and according to posters like this, I don’t belong here. Even if I was a City fan, I wouldn’t belong here.

Barton doesn’t have a problem with men commentating on women’s games. Odd, that.
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Not defending him, but I'm sure he said women commentate on the women's game and men on the mens game?
 
SWP's back said:
I don’t mind female commentators. It’s not like Jim Beglin or John Motson ever played at the highest level.
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I think Jim Beglin may disagree with you.

I'm not sure what FightLikeAGirl was referring to. I.e panellists or commentators. There's plenty of decent female presenters about and I'm sure there's decent commentators out there too. Panellist-wise aside from Emma Hayes -as I've stated- I find it hard work to listen to.

As you allude to both the commentary and presenting jobs don't require you to be an ex-pro or supposed 'expert'. Most people I talk to have a similar opinion to myself and dislike blatant box-ticking. Worst one for me is that Melissa Reddy that works for Sky as a Senior Reporter on the football. A South African that stutters every time she talks and has a voice like a crow squakwing mixed with a felt tip pen being dragged along a hard surface. Far from impartial too with her pro-Liverpool and anti-City bias. Have to change channel as soon as she comes on as the alteration in decibels kills my ears.
 
He's not daft old Joey.

He's got a name and he knows if you use that platform he has and be as divisive as possible, you're going to at least gain somewhat of a following. We've seen it with the likes of Andrew Tate etc. There's a career to be had out of dividing opinion like that.

He'll be all over podcasts and whatnot now with people who share similar views, probably gey invited onto TV debates, start his own podcast and whatnot

I'm sure he believes what he says, but i think he also knows its now keeping him in known after football and management.

There's plenty of people out there agreeing with him too, especially those who are tired of "woke" culture as they call it.

No doubt he's revelling in it. The more people talk about him/back him, the more ridiculous he will get.


I will add I enjoy in game commentary less with female commentary. But that's simply probably because we've grown up with male voices doing it, so you get so used to it. Plus I generally think listening to a lower pitch voice for 90 minutes is easier on the ears. But that's simply personal taste. I don't care that women do the job though, it's only talking over a footy game.

As for women pundits, who cares? 90% of the male ones are shite too.

Is a big part of the increase of women pundits and commentary in men's footie to do with ticking boxes? Absolutely but it's the way it is so you might as well get used to it.
 
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Crooked_rain said:
He's not daft old Joey.

He's got a name and he knows if you use that platform he has and be as divisive as possible, you're going to at least gain somewhat of a following. We've seen it with the likes of Andrew Tate etc. There's a career to be had out of dividing opinion like that.

He'll be all over podcasts and whatnot now with people who share similar views, probably gey invited onto TV debates, start his own podcast and whatnot

I'm sure he believes what he says, but i think he also knows its now keeping him in known after football and management.

There's plenty of people out there agreeing with him too, especially those who are tired of "woke" culture as they call it.

No doubt he's revelling in it. The more people talk about him/back him, the more ridiculous he will get.
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He’ll be popular with the scouse bin dippers……..red & blue
 
FightLikeAGirl said:
Just popping in to say that this? Is why I stopped posting here (this thread came up on a search). Because I am a woman and I am a football fan and according to posters like this, I don’t belong here. Even if I was a City fan, I wouldn’t belong here.

Barton doesn’t have a problem with men commentating on women’s games. Odd, that.
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I personally think it's brilliant women are getting representation. Please don't be put off commenting on the forum. Everyone's view is welcome on a forum. And don't let close-minded idiots like Barton disabuse you of your place in the game. When people like Paul Merson are considered experts in this field, you're doing just fine. Trust me.
 
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