John Stones

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Shaelumstash said:
Good post mate, I understand where you are coming from. But the way I read the "vertical plain" thing was that it was interchangeable during a game. So for example if the full back overlaps on the outside, the winger tucks inside. If the winger is wide then the fullback goes narrow. It's not fixed for the whole game.

I think the idea is to create better angles for passes so players aren't stood in a straight line of each other. Playing a ball at an angle means it's easier to control and move in one fluid movement. Also defensively it means you are restricting space for opposing wide players and full backs.

I understand your idea that he could play left back and Stones right back, but I've just watched this video of Laporte playing left of a back 3 and he looks like he'd be an absolute liability at left back to me. He looks too immobile and clumsy on the ball to play as a full back, particularly in a Guardiola team.

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I see what you mean about it being interchangable. That makes sense. I still think we may see Stones play in that role however. He is never going to be Dani Alves but he may be able to develop in to Philip Lahm or David Alaba.

I watched the same video, and perhaps I am fucking nuts, but I thought he looked really good! He had a couple of terrible touches especially that hospital ball back to the keeper. In general I thought he was really good at playing the ball to his teammates from difficult positions. I am really excited to have him, but I am already dreading the response from the fans when he makes errors that lead to goals. I think any defender who is going to try to keep possession is going to have them and while it will cost us some games, I believe that over the course of a season that approach wins more points than it drops.

aguero93:20 said:
Where's our width coming from with a centre half at RB and a left footed RW? Guardiola loves his width.
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I think Sane can continue to play wide though he is left footed. But maybe in that sense he swaps with Sterling or they play a different winger on that side. My real point was that we could easily see Stones and Laporte getting games as fullbacks as well as at center half and that is likely why they are so coveted and why we have not been linked with fullbacks.
 
MontanaBlue said:
I see what you mean about it being interchangable. That makes sense. I still think we may see Stones play in that role however. He is never going to be Dani Alves but he may be able to develop in to Philip Lahm or David Alaba.
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Alaba is the best attacking full back I've seen since Roberto Carlos, so if he can do that there won't be too many complaints, especially from me because at that stage I'll have won the record Euromillions jackpot.
 
MontanaBlue said:
I think Sane can continue to play wide though he is left footed. But maybe in that sense he swaps with Sterling or they play a different winger on that side. My real point was that we could easily see Stones and Laporte getting games as fullbacks as well as at center half and that is likely why they are so coveted and why we have not been linked with fullbacks.
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So you want to push Sane onto his weaker foot to allow you to play Stones out of position?
 
It's not just because I'm a blue why I'd ask this but................ Why on EARTH would he join the rags?. At least Chelsea can say that they have a strong squad.
 
sk3ptical said:
lol 45 mil for a shit defender. sign him up
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Stones V Fulham

Stones v Chelsea

Pay attention to how hard both Chelsea and Fulham find it to press against a defense with Stones in it.

Watch how aggressively Fulham attempts the press early, and pay attention to how it slowly dissipates as they get no fruit.

Pay attention to him pocketting the Nut job Chelsea striker. And making mince meat of their pressure.

Watch Barry multiple times point to Stones when the ball is with another defender or player under pressure. Stones is almost ever available for a pass.

On the Chelaea breakaway that Stones blocks, watch how he calmly tells his goalie to cover the near post before he attacks the striker from a fantastic angle, giving him only the near post poor option.

This is what he does constantly game in game out. Confident, comfortable, always organizing men with years of experience over him. On multiple occasions you can see him pointing correctly to where the teammates need to be to break the press.

And when it comes to defending, he is as strong into the tackle as anyone else.

I for the life of me don't know how anyone can conclude after actually watching him, that he is shit or poor. Barry and Jageilka differ to him constantly. It's not coz they are stupid.

He is bloody Intelligent. His footballing IQ is beyond that of most of his teammates. Watch him over a series of games and this jumps out at you.

Curling together a series of team errors from 30 games and adding one or two ( yes, admittedly horrendous mistakes) and then concluding that a player is shit, is fucking asinine. I could put together a Kompany collage of errors from 11-12 when he was in fact the best defender in the world.

This reputation of Stones does my head in :?
 
Dax777 said:

Stones V Fulham

Stones v Chelsea

Pay attention to how hard both Chelsea and Fulham find it to press against a defense with Stones in it.

Watch how aggressively Fulham attempts the press early, and pay attention to how it slowly dissipates as they get no fruit.

Pay attention to him pocketting the Nut job Chelsea striker. And making mince meat of their pressure.

Watch Barry multiple times point to Stones when the ball is with another defender or player under pressure. Stones is almost ever available for a pass.

On the Chelaea breakaway that Stones blocks, watch how he calmly tells his goalie to cover the near post before he attacks the striker from a fantastic angle, giving him only the near post poor option.

This is what he does constantly game in game out. Confident, comfortable, always organizing men with years of experience over him. On multiple occasions you can see him pointing correctly to where the teammates need to be to break the press.

And when it comes to defending, he is as strong into the tackle as anyone else.

I for the life of me don't know how anyone can conclude after actually watching him, that he is shit or poor. Barry and Jageilka differ to him constantly. It's not coz they are stupid.

He is bloody Intelligent. His footballing IQ is beyond that of most of his teammates. Watch him over a series of games and this jumps out at you.

Curling together a series of team errors from 30 games and adding one or two ( yes, admittedly horrendous mistakes) and then concluding that a player is shit, is fucking asinine. I could put together a Kompany collage of errors from 11-12 when he was in fact the best defender in the world.

This reputation of Stones does my head in :?
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this only proves that he's overrated because of his passport

u can find better defenders in other leagues.
 
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