What would you do then? Keep the money in the bank like Arsenal?
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but it concerns the club that i love. when i feel the club is being mugged off am not exactly going to be chuffed about it
But the club obviously doesn't feel like it's being mugged off otherwise we would have walked away just like we did with Pogba.
johnmc
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but it concerns the club that i love. when i feel the club is being mugged off am not exactly going to be chuffed about it
So forget anything before this window. Newcastle have put a £35m fee on Sissoke, Deeney bid of £30m turned down, £15m for Ibe, £60m for 29 yr old Payet. What price would you say is fair in the current market?
Yeah his value hasn't changed. £40 million is only what Chelsea were prepared to pay, Everton valued him at more than that and refused to sell him. City are prepared to pay £50 million and that is what Everton value him at so the deal is hopefully getting done soon.
His value HAS changed. Every player's value has changed due to the new tv deal. Chumps league money also increasing. How much did Leicester (apparently) bid for Troy Deeney? Supposedly around 30m - I mean seriously - Troy Deeney?
nomorethaksintimes
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Honest question. Who would you like to see as our CB's this season?
I'm reasonably happy with what we have - I want to see Otamendi and Managala after some good defensive coaching. I wouldn't be as bothered about paying loads for Bonucci as he's world-class. I'd also be far happier getting Lucas Hernandez for 30m and using the 20m towards other targets. I still can't believe people are trying to justify breaking the world transfer record for a defender for Stones.
If we have a 11 who all work together to retrieve the ball that will have a far bigger impact than asking a promising prospect to become the next John Terry and the silver bullet for all our defensive woes.
mancityscot
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i honestly would rather not spend 50 million on john stones than spend it. i admit i have no idea what the future holds, but this just smacks of the sterling transfer. vastly overpaying on a very young english player where there are far better and cheaper alternatives elsewhereWhat would you do then? Keep the money in the bank like Arsenal?
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I'm reasonably happy with what we have - I want to see Otamendi and Managala after some good defensive coaching. I wouldn't be as bothered about paying loads for Bonucci as he's world-class. I'd also be far happier getting Lucas Hernandez for 30m and using the 20m towards other targets. I still can't believe people are trying to justify breaking the world transfer record for a defender for Stones.
If we have a 11 who all work together to retrieve the ball that will have a far bigger impact than asking a promising prospect to become the next John Terry and the silver bullet for all our defensive woes.
Fair enough. I agree with having to work together and you can teach defenders certain things like how to be aware of their position, but the one thing I think you can't teach to someone is how to be good on the ball. That's why I don't think someone like Mangala would do. I may be wrong. Pep knows how he wants each position to be played and he'll find the player with the right attributes for that position. To me one of the hardest things to find is a defender to play the way Pep wants to play. There are only a few out there and some of them aren't realistically attainable. Stones is available and has attributes of playing the ball with his feet as well as decent speed and anticipation. His height also helps. Pep will know what his weakness are and can teach him. Stones will make mistakes as did all of Pep's CB's, but to make the team as a whole better from the back going forward I think he'll be worth it.
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nomorethaksintimes
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Hope we don't just throw him in at the deep end.
I realise I'm repeating myself but why break the transfer record on someone who couldn't handle that. Ferdinand broke the transfer record twice as a young CB - the difference was at West Ham and Leeds he was clearly a different class and the rock/captain of both teams.
oakiecokie
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You are conveniently ignoring the fact that we need more home grown players.So tell us which home grown players in Stones position are better.It speaks volumes when you hear that the likes of the Rags,Chelsea and Barca were all looking at him.We pay that bit more and bingo,he`s ours.Thats how transfers work.Ignore what happened with Sterling.Sometimes shit happens.Not this time.i honestly would rather not spend 50 million on john stones than spend it. i admit i have no idea what the future holds, but this just smacks of the sterling transfer. vastly overpaying on a very young english player where there are far better and cheaper alternatives elsewhere
Stone..... water.... sinkI realise I'm repeating myself but why break the transfer record on someone who couldn't handle that. Ferdinand broke the transfer record twice as a young CB - the difference was at West Ham and Leeds he was clearly a different class and the rock/captain of both teams.
But ya he's shit too.
citytill1die84
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That's our directors fault right?
That'll be the Sheikh's fault for being filty rich :)
Every player in the world is overpriced.
A player is worth what a club want to pay.
We could sign Stones for 100m I wouldn't care.
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Can't believe some posters on here that are saying no to Stones for 50m, were saying yes to Barkley for the same price.
To think some people on this thread are saying no to Stones for 50m at the age of 22, yet were saying sign Bonucci at the age of 29 for 10m more.
To think that Stones could become one of the best CB's in the world and at the age of 29 what would his value be?
Under Martinez, Stones didn't do the job the season previous. The comparisons of transition between Mancini's style and Pellers style was made and this reason was used time and time again to make an excuse for some player performances. Why is it ok to give that excuse for players performing Ng badly under Pellergrini, let alone Roberto Martinez.
If you believe that Pep won't make Stones into a defender that is worth more than 50m then you really need to go and see someone and speak professionally cos you're mental!
To think some people on this thread are saying no to Stones for 50m at the age of 22, yet were saying sign Bonucci at the age of 29 for 10m more.
To think that Stones could become one of the best CB's in the world and at the age of 29 what would his value be?
Under Martinez, Stones didn't do the job the season previous. The comparisons of transition between Mancini's style and Pellers style was made and this reason was used time and time again to make an excuse for some player performances. Why is it ok to give that excuse for players performing Ng badly under Pellergrini, let alone Roberto Martinez.
If you believe that Pep won't make Stones into a defender that is worth more than 50m then you really need to go and see someone and speak professionally cos you're mental!
citymad
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It seems we are being taking to the cleaners every time we go for player now and its not going to get any better. It's partly the inflated market but its also our own fault, we just didn't plan well for the future ending up with a bunch of older players that now need replacing. Other chairman know we're desperate to stay in the top tier and willing to pay way over the odds for a player. 50 mill to buy potential in Sterling, an English 22 year old CB who hardly set the world alight last season and 38 mill for a 29 year old Italian is just utter madness. 50 mill should at least get you a world class player which KDB clearly is.
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There's too much money in the premier league now. Clubs don't need to sell because what's £50m to them when they have the tv deal money? The bargains to be had are abroad where the clubs need the money. Having said that I like stones, he shows all the promise of a world class defender. That kind of money is peanuts if he becomes a top quality centre back for the next 10 seasons
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Don't know why we continue to get mad about why a player costs what when we all know the reasons. There's that old saying "everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth" well we go from winning the league to some of our best getting old over night to Pelle's tactics being found out to an incredible amount of injuries over the last 2 years. We looked great at the start of last season and then the injuries hit. Hopefully we don't have to go through that under the new regime. Step 1: buy younger, and that comes with a hefty price.
I don't think there well ever be anything done about the not so secret "English tax" Sterling probably would've went around what Depay did or less if he wasn't English, Stones would probably go for around the same range as Bailly but...English. 1 Stones is close to Nolito/Gundogan/Zinchenko and possibly Moreno combined.
I don't think there well ever be anything done about the not so secret "English tax" Sterling probably would've went around what Depay did or less if he wasn't English, Stones would probably go for around the same range as Bailly but...English. 1 Stones is close to Nolito/Gundogan/Zinchenko and possibly Moreno combined.
mosssideblue
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Easy- Supply and DemandCan someone genuinely explain to me why Stones' value has increased 10m in the last season despite the additional playing time exposing lots of deficiencies in his game and him made little to no impact at international level?
I had the same question about Sterling at the time- as I remember we bought him when his value was at rock bottom (that is until now). Can someone please give Txixi a slap and remind him that 50m is a rather large windfall for most clubs and we should be going for proven talent at that price. The best case scenario is Stones develops into a world class centre back in which case he will only achieve and not exceed his value at the time we bought him.
Every time you bring in a youngster, its a gamble...but this is what money has done to the market, especially this summer.
At least stones has shown a bucket load of promise. Let nobody forget watford turning down £37.5m for ighalo...that alone tells you everything you need to know about this summers market, espcially for english clubs.
If you want quality you pay, but if you have quality you turn down obscene amounts to keep it. In this league there is more money floating around than there is quality...and plenty of homegrown squad places to fill.
At least stones has shown a bucket load of promise. Let nobody forget watford turning down £37.5m for ighalo...that alone tells you everything you need to know about this summers market, espcially for english clubs.
If you want quality you pay, but if you have quality you turn down obscene amounts to keep it. In this league there is more money floating around than there is quality...and plenty of homegrown squad places to fill.
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Wasnt he gonna be 10 times the player that Sterling would ever be, according to all the scousers out there, after Raheem had jumped ship?
Wonder why they got shut so cheaply.
After all, bitter ex-Liverpool players, particularly those that are currently working in the media, are never wrong.... are they?
They've tried there best to tarnish his reputation - so called heavyweight club with no respect whatsoever.
Everton- certainly there fans are the same , they have serious delusions of grandeur.
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Can't believe some posters on here that are saying no to Stones for 50m, were saying yes to Barkley for the same price.
To think some people on this thread are saying no to Stones for 50m at the age of 22, yet were saying sign Bonucci at the age of 29 for 10m more.
To think that Stones could become one of the best CB's in the world and at the age of 29 what would his value be?
Under Martinez, Stones didn't do the job the season previous. The comparisons of transition between Mancini's style and Pellers style was made and this reason was used time and time again to make an excuse for some player performances. Why is it ok to give that excuse for players performing Ng badly under Pellergrini, let alone Roberto Martinez.
If you believe that Pep won't make Stones into a defender that is worth more than 50m then you really need to go and see someone and speak professionally cos you're mental!
Hear hear !!
Especially the Pellegrini-Matinez part. And most don't even trust Pep apparently.
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