John Stones

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Kinkladze 1 said:
I'd hate to see us buy Stones. That would mean yet again that we've been royally dry bummed for another CB. He'd cost us over £50m. That's just an absolute piss take. If Evertons scouts can spot him and get him from Barnsley for £3m why the fuck can't ours?
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He was on the verge of joining Wigan before Martinez moved to Everton, so it was not a major surprise when they signed him.
This is how players used to be scouted and still are by clubs with smaller budgets. A few reports and then the manager would watch them. After all it's him who ultimately has to work with the player.
I'm not saying our way is wrong but does Pelleigrini go to watch our targets? I actually think he's like many European managers whose job it is to 'coach' the players given him rather than identify them
 
Kinkladze 1 said:
I'd hate to see us buy Stones. That would mean yet again that we've been royally dry bummed for another CB. He'd cost us over £50m. That's just an absolute piss take. If Evertons scouts can spot him and get him from Barnsley for £3m why the fuck can't ours?
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Our scouts probably did spot him but we'd rather spend £35 million on a "more established" player from overseas.
 
The problem with buying "players with potential" is that the best way to develop them is give them games. If they're not quite ready yet it's hard to do that.

If we bought Stones from Barnsley he would barely have played.
 
moomba said:
The problem with buying "players with potential" is that the best way to develop them is give them games. If they're not quite ready yet it's hard to do that.

If we bought Stones from Barnsley he would barely have played.
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It's surprising how many people don't realise this fairly obvious and entirely correct point.
 
BigOscar said:
It's surprising how many people don't realise this fairly obvious and entirely correct point.
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I'm not pissed about not buying Stones, for me the problem is when we fail to pick up s player likecJoel Matip.

That is just unconscionable. He is a mid - to top end young CB on a free, and somehow we bungled it. Come summer we'll end up working over 30 mil for someone of his ilk.
 
Different clubs different level of expectation hence a different buying policy. . . City have money, Everton don't have as much. . City have higher expectation than Everton. . . Everton are not expected to challenge at the very top so their expectation isn't as high. . . They can buy potential and allow it to develop. . . City cannot afford that because of the pressure at the very top, they need success Now! (players don't develop fully in the reserves and via occasional subs appearances). So City are better to "Cherry Pick" proven players after clubs like Everton have developed them. . . We know they are good enough and they can go straight into the first team. . . One of the changes that the money has brought to City
 
The biggest problem Stones has is that Martinez isn't defensive coach in any shape or form. I just can't see Stones' defending getting much better aslong as he's being managed by Martinez.

If Stones came here under Guardiola, he'd become a much better defender pretty quickly.
 
Ormy180 said:
Different clubs different level of expectation hence a different buying policy. . . City have money, Everton don't have as much. . City have higher expectation than Everton. . . Everton are not expected to challenge at the very top so their expectation isn't as high. . . They can buy potential and allow it to develop. . . City cannot afford that because of the pressure at the very top, they need success Now! (players don't develop fully in the reserves and via occasional subs appearances). So City are better to "Cherry Pick" proven players after clubs like Everton have developed them. . . We know they are good enough and they can go straight into the first team. . . One of the changes that the money has brought to City
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That hasn't proved to be the case with Mangala.
 
Ormy180 said:
Different clubs different level of expectation hence a different buying policy. . . City have money, Everton don't have as much. . City have higher expectation than Everton. . . Everton are not expected to challenge at the very top so their expectation isn't as high. . . They can buy potential and allow it to develop. . . City cannot afford that because of the pressure at the very top, they need success Now! (players don't develop fully in the reserves and via occasional subs appearances). So City are better to "Cherry Pick" proven players after clubs like Everton have developed them. . . We know they are good enough and they can go straight into the first team. . . One of the changes that the money has brought to City
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That hasn't proved to be the case with Mangala.
 
Ormy180 said:
Different clubs different level of expectation hence a different buying policy. . . City have money, Everton don't have as much. . City have higher expectation than Everton. . . Everton are not expected to challenge at the very top so their expectation isn't as high. . . They can buy potential and allow it to develop. . . City cannot afford that because of the pressure at the very top, they need success Now! (players don't develop fully in the reserves and via occasional subs appearances). So City are better to "Cherry Pick" proven players after clubs like Everton have developed them. . . We know they are good enough and they can go straight into the first team. . . One of the changes that the money has brought to City
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Bang on mate.
 
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