John Stones

[The Richard Wright Fan Club]

Why does he rarely play in your starting 11?

Because he plays for Napoli.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

Everton will have a replacement lined up

They will still want £50m for Stones regardless

A see a compromise of £45m plus add ons

 

[Dribble]

And yet he played very well the season before under Martinez. He made loads of mistakes last season. Everton just couldn't defend but you reckon that's all down to Martinez. I don't know how you can be so confident of that./QUOTE]

The same could be said of our defence under Pellegrini. It took time to build the best defence in the league and 2 seasons to dismantle it. To build or destroy takes time even if the same players are involved. Kompany went from one of the world's top 5 defenders to looking like he was a substitute at Hough End Playing Fields on a Sunday morning after a heavy Saturday night out on the keg.

 

[Dribble]

I suspect the Barnsley thing won't help and Everton should probably have tried to buy Barnsley out after last summer - I suspect Barnsley would have taken £3-4m at the end of the August window, considering they'd have still had a few weeks of their window left to spend it.

If Everton want £40m for themselves, we'd have to pay £47.5m. I suspect we'd go to that, as it's below the £50m we've said we're not going to pay and it stops Stones being the most expensive defender or English player. But if Everton don't bend from the £50m at all, I can't see this happening and I think it's important we don't pay it, otherwise we'll continue to be seen as an easy touch

For commercial reasons I can't see us paying £47.5m cash, but I could see £38m plus add ons and player exchanges up to that value. Everton may not get what they want all in one go, but the money would be all but there.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

For commercial reasons I can't see us paying £47.5m cash, but I could see £38m plus add ons and player exchanges up to that value. Everton may not get what they want all in one go, but the money would be all but there.

And no one loses face

 

[kas_tippler]

Can see us walking away like Chelsea did last year, would've been wrapped up by now. He looked happy enough playing for Everton last night.

 

[SWP's back]

That doesn't make any sense.

That doesn't make any sense either.

They both make perfect sense.

 

[bluesince76]

For commercial reasons I can't see us paying £47.5m cash, but I could see £38m plus add ons and player exchanges up to that value. Everton may not get what they want all in one go, but the money would be all but there.

Yes, I didn't mean a briefcase with £47.5m in it.

The other way out of this might be having him heavily performance based e.g. If he makes it into the final 3 of the balon d'or, they get a few million which takes him to £50m. Chance is slim, but they can say they got what they wanted and if we ever had to pay it, I suspect we'd be more than happy. Problem is, all of that requires negotiation, so it depends if Everton is actually at the table

 

[citizen_maine]

This in a nutshell - I think the fee we want for ourselves is around £40 mill.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion. I'll pop back with any updates or ITK bits from our side. I think its in everyone's best interest to get this deal done soon and we can all move on with our preparation for the season.

So you value him at £40m, but expect us to pay £50m because you don't want to pay the sell on fee you negotiated in good faith with the club you bought him from? Seems fair :-)

 

[Dribble]

Yes, I didn't mean a briefcase with £47.5m in it.

The other way out of this might be having him heavily performance based e.g. If he makes it into the final 3 of the balon d'or, they get a few million which takes him to £50m. Chance is slim, but they can say they got what they wanted and if we ever had to pay it, I suspect we'd be more than happy. Problem is, all of that requires negotiation, so it depends if Everton is actually at the table

This will happen. Everton have accepted the player wants to go, we want him, I assume terms are already unofficially known and agreed and now its down to the bartering. We don't want to be seen as being bent over, having the Vaseline publicly applied and taking one up the shitter and Everton don't want to come across as a kid whose just had his bag of sweets taken off him by one of the big lads at school & they could do nothing about it.

As @ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN said, no-one wants to lose face but I think everyone concerned knows there's a very high likelihood this will happen one way or another.