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Neville Kneville said:
I can't accept that.

I can imagine Pep coming to that decision himself, but not being persuaded to by the bosses. I don't think they would give a shit either way.

I think both our keepers are on thin ice personally.
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I can - Hart's a big presence at the club, he's our second most senior player, de-facto spokesman when Kompany is not fit, should be vice-captain, and one of 2 players who start for England. He's also one of the 3 pre-takeover players, and a bit of a cult figure for his incredible displays in big games like Barca, Dortmund etc.

You only need to read this thread to see how peoples affection for him blinds them to how ill-suited he is for Guardiola compared to ter-Stegen.

So taking all that into account, I could definitely imagine Txiki or whoever convincing Pep to rethink selling him this summer.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Never got that far. Everton were in market for a keeper and were flashing the cash. They basically let it be known that is what they would be prepared to pay.

Hart could get a move to a bigger club than Everton.
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Where's he going to go better than Everton?

I don't see Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, United swapping their keeper for him.

Southampton wouldn't pay his wages.

He's very unlikely to go abroad.

Liverpool or Everton would seemingly be his best possible destinations. West Ham maybe.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
There are going to be a lot of disappointed blues, I feel.

You are correct, they are both in firing line and Pep will get what he wants.

I'll wager with anyone that Hart will be gone before Pep is finished here.

I think he would be a great back-up keeper, but he's not going to accept that is he?
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I think there is no chance in hell Joe will accept being a No 2.

So if we were to assume Pep is completely happy with Joe as a keeper, is he likely to be happy with Joe concerning distribution, & if not, can Pep improve him sufficiently ?

Can Pep's system work, if the keeper can't be relied upon to control/distribute the ball ?

That also asks the question: If we start the season with Joe & his distribution hasn't improved, are we actually watching a genuine Pep Guardioala team ?

When I watched Caballero v Dortmund, it dawned on me how far away we are in that area, & imo, it isn't going to work properly unless there is a drastic improvement in that area by both keepers, or a new keeper.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Wouldn't have a recognised top keeper? We're still planning to sign one!

Hart won't be told he is No.2 - he'll be told to fight for his place.

As for your valuation?, if Everton were prepared to pay £40m for Hart, and value Stones at £50m, then the only shortfall we would have to cover is £10m.

Hardly a terrible idea.
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tolmie, are we making any progress in Stones talks mate? Feel this one could be one of the most important signings of the summer and would have a big impact for us at the back? Do you think someone is going to blink and we'll get this done? cheers mate
 
domalino said:
Where's he going to go better than Everton?

I don't see Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, United swapping their keeper for him.

Southampton wouldn't pay his wages.

He's very unlikely to go abroad.

Liverpool or Everton would seemingly be his best possible destinations. West Ham maybe.
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How long has Cech got left? Arsenal would take him. If United thought they could make a profit on De Gea to Madrid and Hart in, they'd go for it. Same with Spurs and Lloris. Hart is better than Courtois.
 
domalino said:
Where's he going to go better than Everton?

I don't see Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, United swapping their keeper for him.

Southampton wouldn't pay his wages.

He's very unlikely to go abroad.

Liverpool or Everton would seemingly be his best possible destinations. West Ham maybe.
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I agree, I don't think there is anything out there for him this summer and both sides of the equation would be pretty foolish to end the long relationship before giving it another year.

A lot could happen in that time. Pep could get it wrong in terms of his opinion. Joe might conclude he isn't the No.1, no matter how well he performs, etc?

Everton, in terms of location and new manager, would actually appear to tick a lot of boxes, but they are nowhere at the level they need to be right now for a player of Hart's standing.

I'm sure Barcelona would be keen, considering his performances against them - the irony, eh?

Personally, if he were to move on at some point, think Juventus would be an incredible platform - Buffon can't go on forever.
 
domalino said:
I can - Hart's a big presence at the club, he's our second most senior player, de-facto spokesman when Kompany is not fit, should be vice-captain, and one of 2 players who start for England. He's also one of the 3 pre-takeover players, and a bit of a cult figure for his incredible displays in big games like Barca, Dortmund etc.

You only need to read this thread to see how peoples affection for him blinds them to how ill-suited he is for Guardiola compared to ter-Stegen.

So taking all that into account, I could definitely imagine Txiki or whoever convincing Pep to rethink selling him this summer.
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How is keeping more clean sheets than any other premier league keeper 4 out of the last 6 seasons I'll-suited to any manager? He was only one game off the golden glove last season, so the ' it's all about the defence' argument can't really stand up either.
 
domalino said:
I can - Hart's a big presence at the club, he's our second most senior player, de-facto spokesman when Kompany is not fit, should be vice-captain, and one of 2 players who start for England. He's also one of the 3 pre-takeover players, and a bit of a cult figure for his incredible displays in big games like Barca, Dortmund etc.

You only need to read this thread to see how peoples affection for him blinds them to how ill-suited he is for Guardiola compared to ter-Stegen.

So taking all that into account, I could definitely imagine Txiki or whoever convincing Pep to rethink selling him this summer.
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Pep either thinks Joe's distribution can be improved or wants him removed I recon.

Txiki would know better than to interfere in that imo. You don't bring in Guardiola then tell him his keeper has to kick it long because he's popular.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
tolmie, are we making any progress in Stones talks mate? Feel this one could be one of the most important signings of the summer and would have a big impact for us at the back? Do you think someone is going to blink and we'll get this done? cheers mate
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Just chill. It will get done. We will take the rest of the window if needs be - we're not in the rush many believe us to be.

The lad only wants to come here, which only strengthens our position. Stones would probably hand in yet another transfer request if Everton continue to stand firm.

Everton couldn't expose either the team or the player to such a fall out.

I still suspect we might see something move before the weekend, once they improve their Ashley Williams offer.
 
With Lukaku probably on his way to Chelsea, I wonder if the Bony plus cash offer for Stones can be resurrected? It's a good solution as neither party will have blinked/lost face over the fee as it will be a completely different deal.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Pep either thinks Joe's distribution can be improved or wants him removed I recon.

Txiki would know better than to interfere in that imo. You don't bring in Guardiola then tell him his keeper has to kick it long because he's popular.
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I agree,if we can make an improvement on any of our players,I'm all for it,would be gutted in some cases but don't think there's any room for sentiment in today's game...too much money involved,IMO.
 
SPIDERBOY said:
I agree,if we can make an improvement on any of our players,I'm all for it,would be gutted in some cases but don't think there's any room for sentiment in today's game...too much money involved,IMO.
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I just think it's so fundamental to the way PG wants to play.

Unless/until the keeper can be comfortable passing the ball, we will not be playing the way Pep wants to play. We will have to settle for a half arsed version.

So the keeper, whoever that may be, has to do it.
 
domalino said:
It was reported not that long ago that Pep wanted rid of Joe but the higher ups at club wanted him to stay and convinced Pep to try and work with him.
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Reported by who ? A newspaper, who had no doubt asked Pep directly I assume, or maybe they were bullshitting like they normally do.

Hart will be replaced eventually, but I doubt its a priority this summer.
 
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