Jorginho

[razman]

atleast he is forcing the issue...good to see city standing firm. This is the max Napoli will be getting

 

[OB1]

Mangala?

IIRC, we signed Manga before Fernando, albeit in the same window, so "since probably Fernando" is probably correct.

Semantics aside, that was probably our worst window and in no small part due to FFP restrictions; although those do not excuse how much we paid for that pair.

City's record in the transfer market has improved considerably since that time and helped hugely to produce a squad capable of the incredible season we have just enjoyed and with an average age that gives cause to be extremely optimistic about what lies ahead. That optimism will be enhanced if Txiki and Co keep up their recent standard of procurement this summer.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

atleast he is forcing the issue...good to see city standing firm. This is the max Napoli will be getting

If reports are correct, it would seem Napoli have backed down on money but we've only given them a few more days to agree. We might end up walking away before they can find a replacement?

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

I think Sheikh Mansour, Khaldoon and Soriano have draw a line in the sand regarding our over spending on players. Sanchez is one example.

They no longer want City to be seen as an easy ride, where we will pay whatever it takes to buy and to get a player.

Unfortunately selling clubs still see the old City. A cash cow that will pay their asking price.

So City now have a figure. They also have two cheaper alternatives.

Unfortunately that means we could miss out on our first choice players and targets.

It looks like that's the risk the club are willing to take.

The take-home message of this affair, as I read it.
What this symbolises is no less than this: where we are now as a club, compared to where we were at the time of the takeover. We bought Robinho for what was then an awful lot of money. We had to pay that, because we were not seen as being amongst the big boys. And that was right. We weren't. We were a club with a long and honourable history, for those who cared to look into it, and who remembered that there was such a thing as football before the invention of the satellite dish — few did, outside of City fans, truth be told, and certainly no-one from abroad — who were perennial underachievers, given the size of the club. And Robinho was bought, not so much for what he could do for us on the pitch — not an awful lot, as it turned out — as to make a statement: we are arriving, you will have to take account of us from here on in. “You” being, I suppose, United, LIverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal (still, at that point, expected to be a force), and beyond them, Bayern, Barca, Real, etc.
Almost ten years on from the Abu Dhabi takeover, and we are not “arriving”. We have arrived, in no uncertain terms. The best manager in the world (o.k., you might argue one or two others, but I for one wouldn't be convinced), just smashed every PL record going, playing scintillating football recognised as amongst the best played in Europe this year, if not the best. An incredible academy, top notch facilities for players. And a first team squad nearly all of whom are internationals for their respective countries, at one level or another. Oh, and big salaries. Some think, too big. Although given the Sanchez affair, the club also appears to be drawing a line in the sand there, too.
Txiki is simply saying, valuation of a player is not a one-way street, where the other club holds all the cards. We hold many cards that make us an extremely attractive prospect for any player who wants to see how far he can take his game. Ask Raheem.
If we walk away from this, we'll lose out, because if Jorginho was identified by Pep as his main target, months back, there's a reason for that. And it may not even be what Jorginho can do now. Rather, Pep may well see a potential in him, suited to Pep's style of coaching. As I say, we'll lose out, but Napoli will lose out big time. Not only the money. They'll have a deeply unhappy bunny on their hands.
I'm glad the club is standing its ground.

 

[OB1]

I've watched so many Napoli games now and I probably would not sign Jorginho. Maybe Pep will get another level out of him but his passing stats, youtube comps and general reputation on certain corners of the internet are massively undercut from what I've seen

I'd much rather we sign Thiago for a similar fee, with some generous addons based on apps, or M. Dembele from Spurs, who only has 1 yr on his contract. Regardless of alternatives, I am not impressed with Jorginho at all given the pockets of hype around him. I think Gundogan probably adds more in the 6 role overall. There isn't alot of difference anyway.

One bit of hope, outside of Pep's direct influence, is that Napoli's football is of a lower quality to ours and playing alongside Silva and KDB rather than Allan and Hamsik may work better for him.

Disappointing to hear. I've not seen much of Napoli beyond their games against us, where I was impressed by Jorginho, who I think looks and generally sounds like a player who would add something slightly different to a pivotal role in the team.

I reckon the hope of him looking, and being, better alongside City's players is more than a "bit of".

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

The take-home message of this affair, as I read it.
What this symbolises is no less than this: where we are now as a club, compared to where we were at the time of the takeover. We bought Robinho for what was then an awful lot of money. We had to pay that, because we were not seen as being amongst the big boys. And that was right. We weren't. We were a club with a long and honourable history, for those who cared to look into it, and who remembered that there was such a thing as football before the invention of the satellite dish — few did, outside of City fans, truth be told, and certainly no-one from abroad — who were perennial underachievers, given the size of the club. And Robihho was bought, not so much for what he could do for us on the pitch — not an awful lot, as it turned out — as to make a statement: we are arriving, you will have to take account of us from here on in. “You” being, I suppose, United, LIverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal (still, at that point, expected to be a force), and beyond them, Bayern, Barca, Real, etc.
Almost ten years on from the Abu Dhabi takeover, and we are not “arriving”. We have arrived, in no uncertain terms. The best manager in the world (o.k., you might argue one or two others, but I for one wouldn't be convinced), just smashed every PL record going, playing scintillating football recognised as amongst the best played in Europe this year, if not the best. An incredible academy, top notch facilities for players. And a first team squad nearly all of whom are internationals for their respective countries, at one level or another. Oh, and big salaries. Some think, too big. Although given the Sanchez affair, the club also appears to be drawing a line in the sand there, too.
Txiki is simply saying, valuation of a player is not a one-way street, where the other club holds all the cards. We hold many cards that make us an extremely attractive prospect for any player who wants to see how far he can take his game. Ask Raheem.
If we walk away from this, we'll lose out, because if Jorginho was identified by Pep as his main target, months back, there's a reason for that. And it may not even be what Jorginho can do now. Rather, Pep may well see a potential in him, suited to Pep's style of coaching. As I say, we'll lose out, but Napoli will lose out big time. Not only the money. They'll have a deeply unhappy bunny on their hands.
I'm glad the club is standing its ground.

Good stuff in here mate....genuine question, would you/should we continue to play hardball with clubs over transfers, if you/we saw the chasing pack closing the gap? Just interested to know what price we (as supporters) would put on standing our ground in the transfer market...is it easier to stand our ground now as we dont "need" anything?....I just think about what "IF" Liverpool(just an example) won the league next season, our stance might be alittle different and thats where I struggle sometimes, as feel we should build from a position of strength and not wait to the wolves are closing in!;) We still likely to close the deals on Mahrez and Jorginho so this question isnt directed at any single transfer, its more general.....This is just a genuine question, as I'm open to views both sides of the coin...

 

[Hart of the Matter]

The take-home message of this affair, as I read it.
What this symbolises is no less than this: where we are now as a club, compared to where we were at the time of the takeover. We bought Robinho for what was then an awful lot of money. We had to pay that, because we were not seen as being amongst the big boys. And that was right. We weren't. We were a club with a long and honourable history, for those who cared to look into it, and who remembered that there was such a thing as football before the invention of the satellite dish — few did, outside of City fans, truth be told, and certainly no-one from abroad — who were perennial underachievers, given the size of the club. And Robinho was bought, not so much for what he could do for us on the pitch — not an awful lot, as it turned out — as to make a statement: we are arriving, you will have to take account of us from here on in. “You” being, I suppose, United, LIverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal (still, at that point, expected to be a force), and beyond them, Bayern, Barca, Real, etc.
Almost ten years on from the Abu Dhabi takeover, and we are not “arriving”. We have arrived, in no uncertain terms. The best manager in the world (o.k., you might argue one or two others, but I for one wouldn't be convinced), just smashed every PL record going, playing scintillating football recognised as amongst the best played in Europe this year, if not the best. An incredible academy, top notch facilities for players. And a first team squad nearly all of whom are internationals for their respective countries, at one level or another. Oh, and big salaries. Some think, too big. Although given the Sanchez affair, the club also appears to be drawing a line in the sand there, too.
Txiki is simply saying, valuation of a player is not a one-way street, where the other club holds all the cards. We hold many cards that make us an extremely attractive prospect for any player who wants to see how far he can take his game. Ask Raheem.
If we walk away from this, we'll lose out, because if Jorginho was identified by Pep as his main target, months back, there's a reason for that. And it may not even be what Jorginho can do now. Rather, Pep may well see a potential in him, suited to Pep's style of coaching. As I say, we'll lose out, but Napoli will lose out big time. Not only the money. They'll have a deeply unhappy bunny on their hands.
I'm glad the club is standing its ground.

We may lose out but we reinforce the message we sent out about Sanchez and Marhez last year. Play (price) fair or do one. The longer term gains far out weigh the short term loss.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

We may lose out but we reinforce the message we sent out about Sanchez and Marhez last year. Play (price) fair or do one. The longer term gains far out weigh the short term loss.

We are in agreement. That's what I'm saying in my final sentence of the post.

 

[Withnail]

atleast he is forcing the issue...good to see city standing firm. This is the max Napoli will be getting

Hopefully, City will not need to move for a back up option. Let Napoli get a replacement for Jorginho and then he is ours.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

If would seem wags demands of Napoli's target is now the only thing stopping Jorginho deal getting done....It has been reported Torreira asking for 3mil(euros) a season....50k(pounds) a week and Napoli dont want to match....funny how they expect others to pay big but wont do the same themselves....I guess thats what makes a good business man!;)

City Watch‏Verified account @City_Watch 1m1 minute ago
Wage demands are holding up Napoli's move for Lucas Torreira, who they want to replace Jorginho. This is slowing down Jorginho to City, who have started to explore a deal for Mateo Kovacic of Real Madrid. [@CalcioNapoli24]