Joshua Kimmich

bell_mcfc said:
Fair point but he's played at the highest level.

I genuinely believe if you want a player ready from the prem standard buy from Germany. Ok Bayern normally dominate the league but its still very competitive.

Players we've signed from Germany; Haaland, Akanji, Gundo, KDB, Dzeko, DeJong, Kompany, Ortega, Sane, Gvardiol.
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Most of them young or in their prime. We have just been historically very good at picking out what players will work or who doesn't. Also I suspect the added benefit of bringing in some of them into a team that functions on a high-level. Speculation, but I honestly think Akanji and an injury ravaged Gundogan are two examples that could just as easily left these shores as flops if signed for other clubs. Instead one found an important role as part of a treble-winning machine and the other became one of the best midfielders we have ever seen after being understudy for Spanish Dave until a pretty advanced age.

See over the road in the same timeframe for: Kagawa, Sancho, Mhkitarian, Weghorst, Sabitzer, Schweinsteiger. Currently Mazraoi looks fine while De Ligt looks awful.
How many of these would have worked out for us, or were just poor fits for the league or bad signings all together?

Chelsea another good example: Pulisic, Nkunku, Havertz, Werner.

I think instead of looking at our dealings in the Bundesliga, we need to look at our dealings as a whole. We have had moderate to great success in the Bundesliga, Spain and Italy and pretty much anywhere, because we have for the most part done our due dilligence brilliantly and stuck to a profile of players with great age and a lot of upside. Kimmich would be a venture from that, and that is much more important than the league he comes from. Primarily he is the wrong solution for our main problem at the moment and that is the fact that most of our squad is either under 24 or over 30, while very few is in that 25-30 sweet spot that usually makes up the core of a winning team. We are currently in a situation where we need to bring in players that can bring us closer to prime squad-age while also being able to follow these youngsters into their prime while maintaining world-class standards, preferably for another 5 year-cycle. Kimmich, we kind of need to bank on him both taking to the team and league quickly, and also keeping his legs beyond what we have seen Bernardo and Gundogan amongst others have been able to while he has played on a similiarily high level as them elsewhere, for him to be worth it
 
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Stinks of an attitude problem too. He won’t be going anywhere for anything less than staring week in week out
 
ScottSinclair said:
Most of them young or in their prime. We have just been historically very good at picking out what players will work or who doesn't. Also I suspect the added benefit of bringing in some of them into a team that functions on a high-level. Speculation, but I honestly think Akanji and an injury ravaged Gundogan are two examples that could just as easily left these shores as flops if signed for other clubs. Instead one found an important role as part of a treble-winning machine and the other became one of the best midfielders we have ever seen after being understudy for Spanish Dave until a pretty advanced age.

See over the road in the same timeframe for: Kagawa, Sancho, Mhkitarian, Weghorst, Sabitzer, Schweinsteiger. Currently Mazraoi looks fine while De Ligt looks awful.
How many of these would have worked out for us, or were just poor fits for the league or bad signings all together?

Chelsea another good example: Pulisic, Nkunku, Havertz, Werner.

I think instead of looking at our dealings in the Bundesliga, we need to look at our dealings as a whole. We have had moderate to great success in the Bundesliga, Spain and Italy and pretty much anywhere, because we have for the most part done our due dilligence brilliantly and stuck to a profile of players with great age and a lot of upside. Kimmich would be a venture from that, and that is much more important than the league he comes from. Primarily he is the wrong solution for our main problem at the moment and that is the fact that most of our squad is either under 24 or over 30, while very few is in that 25-30 sweet spot that usually makes up the core of a winning team. We are currently in a situation where we need to bring in players that can bring us closer to prime squad-age while also being able to follow these youngsters into their prime while maintaining world-class standards, preferably for another 5 year-cycle. Kimmich, we kind of need to bank on him both taking to the team and league quickly, and also keeping his legs beyond what we have seen Bernardo and Gundogan amongst others have been able to while he has played on a similiarily high level as them elsewhere, for him to be worth it
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Gundo is 34 Kimmich and Bernardo are 30 very different in terms of legs etc
 
WRicko said:
Gundo is 34 Kimmich and Bernardo are 30 very different in terms of legs etc
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Fair but the point is that it is an added risk that goes against the policy that has brought us the most success in the market. You can get a Fernandinho but you can't really account for it.

If our squad was more balanced I'd be all for Kimmich, but I do agree with those that think the timing is wrong. I'd much prefer to replace Gundogan and Bernie/Kova with players more likely to grow with the current youngsters, and let one of Bernie/Kova be the sole old-head left in the midfield alongside Rodri to shepherd them on instead of adding another one that could potentially need replacing for physical reasons before the squad reaches it's physical prime.
And I'd certainly prefer Cambiaso for the hybrid role which Kimmich doesn't even seem to want to play.

But obviously it is a bit of an educated guess and how I want them to handle the rebuild. For all I know Kimmich could be a stroke of genius. He is certainly a brilliant player
 
Not the age profile we should be looking at....trying to adjust to the prem league when already past your prime aint easy.
He is not the player we should be looking at...he is not the future.
We have old players - we dont need more.
 
ScottSinclair said:
Fair but the point is that it is an added risk that goes against the policy that has brought us the most success in the market. You can get a Fernandinho but you can't really account for it.

If our squad was more balanced I'd be all for Kimmich, but I do agree with those that think the timing is wrong. I'd much prefer to replace Gundogan and Bernie/Kova with players more likely to grow with the current youngsters, and let one of Bernie/Kova be the sole old-head left in the midfield alongside Rodri to shepherd them on instead of adding another one that could potentially need replacing for physical reasons before the squad reaches it's physical prime.
And I'd certainly prefer Cambiaso for the hybrid role which Kimmich doesn't even seem to want to play.

But obviously it is a bit of an educated guess and how I want them to handle the rebuild. For all I know Kimmich could be a stroke of genius. He is certainly a brilliant player
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I don’t think Bernie and Kova go but of the older players Kyle will be gone Gundo gone KDB could be gone.

I don’t see Kimmich as a midfielder rather RB or Hybrid he won’t be alone and perhaps even a back up or tactical alternative. I suggested getting several fullbacks.

In midfield we will have whoever the attackers are the existing young ones and some new ones and Nico and or Rodri. Plenty of legs there

Pep clearly likes Kimmich for more than his ability and he will be free and an experienced edition to the dressing room which will be a lot younger
 
Typical using City to get a better contract from Bayern. Same like Jamal did.

Why we pursuing these kind of players again, if we are just played again by their agents in the end?
 
Kamaro011 said:
Typical using City to get a better contract from Bayern. Same like Jamal did.

Why we pursuing this kind of players again, if we are just played again by their agents in the end?
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cant really stop agents saying he has possible offers from XYZ and leaking it to the papers. part of the game.
 
Kamaro011 said:
Typical using City to get a better contract from Bayern. Same like Jamal did.

Why we pursuing these kind of players again, if we are just played again by their agents in the end?
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Do we know this is the case, or were we all just speculating he'd be a Pep signing because he's:

Worked with him before

Can play in multiple positions?
 
thank god.......we need young hungry players.....we need physicality as well as technical ability and while KImmich has the latter he doesnt have the first part.
 
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