Josko Gvardiol

[horlock_was_super]

Sounds like when Arsenal bought Rice. Fee agreed but payment terms disputed. Look how long that took!

Payment terms seem to be a bigger thing than they used to be.

Have to agree on this. The world has changed post COVID (look at certain teams scum failing FFP for instance) Clubs would now surely take two views on it:
1. Loads of cash in the bank - hence TH stating they want 90% up front.
2. Staged payments so a steady income.

Going off what they've already done this summer they've sort of ensured a few years income with option 2.
Option 1 is the rainy day fund I suppose.

Just a thought on a Friday afternoon watching the clock in work...............

 

[MarsLlama]

I know some are saying walk away put money into a different position etc , Pep wants Gvardiol, Pep only wants a player if they improve the team Gvardiol improves us in Peps mind. Trust Pep.

Do we have any evidence that Pep's the one pushing for Gvardiol?

 

[FantasyIreland]

Another dickhead chairman and classless **** to add to the list.

Another who will probably come looking for a favour down the line.....cunts.

 

[citizen_maine]

I see it as when we know of a release clause we use that valuation as a take it or leave it. If our valuation of that player is drastically different we don't even bother entering negotiations.

When there isn't one and we are given an asking price we then use our valuation as our limit regardless of how much they are asking for. We will then bid on the assumption that the selling club will drop their valuation. After weeks of assuming they will negotiate down and come to our way of thinking (hence the confidence we have in the deal), they keep to their price (as they should) so we deem them difficult to deal with and walk away wasting 4-6 weeks in the process.

So, there's no point in trying to negotiate any deal?
If it's a release clause - pay the money.
If it's not - pay the money

 

[blueparrot]

Only if Pep trust Laporte more, which is another question mark on a fringe player.

We'd have Ake,and Laporte, Dias has played LCB plenty. it was okay last year it would be okay this.

 

[kalouk]

I mentioned yesterday this may not be City not upholding their side. It makes more sense for Leipzig to be moving the goalposts they are now in a position of strength so why wouldn't they push it they know they can get more for him next year why do they care if he stays another year. If they want they can change things like payments as Tolmie mentioned. The guy from Leipzig said they had expectations that have to be met didn't mention price in the reports I saw. If everything is being sorted in good faith and reports are that the leaks didn't come from City then what difference does that make to the deal. I hope this goes through but we are run by professionals how far do you want them to bend if Leipzig now say they want whatever the release clause is next year for example do we keep playing along?

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

Only a waste of 4-6 weeks if we miss out on alternatives. I don't think we have any alternative to Gvardiol. If we don't get him we stick with what we have. That's okay too.

And if it was a one off that would be fine but previous windows have been the same but thankfully Pep worked his magic.

 

[richards30]

Am kinda torn on this now to be honest. I REALLY want him here but depending how the club now feel about having the structure changed may mean we walk possibly?

 

[Coatigan]

wrong. the release clause is allegedly between 110 and 115m euros.

It is also allegedly bang on £100m, and they are asking over that now, so depends on what claim you go by.

 

[Dazzle84]

Sounds like when Arsenal bought Rice. Fee agreed but payment terms disputed. Look how long that took!

Payment terms seem to be a bigger thing than they used to be.

It's got to be to do with inflation and interest rates. An extra £10m up front today is better value

 

[blueparrot]

And if it was a one off that would be fine but previous windows have been the same but thankfully Pep worked his magic.

So it's worked then.

 

[horlock_was_super]

I am not really up with the whole keeping up with the Jones' lark but, in keeping with this boycotting things lark that our dickhead neighbours across the Manchester border seem to like.

I propose from this moment on to boycott Red Bull.*












* I have never actually drank Red Bull does it taste like Ben Shaws Dandelion & Burdock, cos that's fucking hanging?

 

[Dax777]

Totally agree. If it was for a player with only 5/6 years left fair enough but this guy could be a mainstay for a decade!

Or he could turn out to not be Super. Defenders are notoriously harder to gauge.

I like Gvardiol personally. And my sense is that he will pan out. But it's not a guarantee. And here is why. He doesn't have unique qualities.

Sure he has great ball skills, and is front footed. But he is not uniquely athletic, fast or strong. He is not intimidatingly big either.

So that means his greatness will have to come from being great at positioning, being aggressive, and developing into a leader. None of those are a given.

So I see why City will hesitate in spite of his levels at 21.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

So, there's no point in trying to negotiate any deal?
If it's a release clause - pay the money.
If it's not - pay the money

By all means negotiate assuming you are in and around the asking price. When the valuations are well off as was the case with Kane and Cucurella thats when there is no point in negotiating a deal.

We have already seen this summer where West Ham wanted at least £100mil for Rice. Stated it numerous times, rejected Arsenals bid of £90mil yet we bid £90mil and pull out when its rejected.

 

[vanchi]

It is also allegedly bang on £100m, and they are asking over that now, so depends on what claim you go by.

sorry i don’t get what you mean, they want 100m euros now, that’s about 86m pounds. his release clause will be more than that next year

 

[Coatigan]

Laporte isn’t going to play for us again. Pep played Akanji at left back before Laporte. Don’t think pep trusts him anymore

Cliché alert.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

So it's worked then.

As I've said Pep pulling out a new formation to win us a league and treble does not mean we have worked wonders in the window by not signing our targets.

 

[kalouk]

I am not really up with the whole keeping up with the Jones' lark but, in keeping with this boycotting things lark that our dickhead neighbours across the Manchester border seem to like.

I propose from this moment on to boycott Red Bull.*












* I have never actually drank Red Bull does it taste like Ben Shaws Dandelion & Burdock, cos that's fucking hanging?

No it tastes like Strawberry Calpol the smell of it makes me heave i'll join the boycott!

 

[Blue and true]

As I've said Pep pulling out a new formation to win us a league and treble does not mean we have worked wonders in the window by not signing our targets.

Exactly this.

 

[Coatigan]

Move on from probably the best young centre half in Europe at 21 years old. Do me a favour! We're talking a 10-12 year career at City. All because of £10mill-£15mill difference in valuation between the clubs or the terms of the payment. When did City get so short sighted and stubborn?

2014 I think.