BimboBob
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40 years? They have split up for at least 10 of those, not had Hook for the last 12 years and not released anything decent since 2000-ish.
Were a great band. Now a shadow of their former selves.
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Joy Division / New Order thread
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Were a great band. Now a shadow of their former selves.
asia fields
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The last album had some great tracks, Plastic and tutti fruity wouldn’t look out of place on the mighty Technique.40 years? They have split up for at least 10 of those, not had Hook for the last 12 years and not released anything decent since 2000-ish.
Were a great band. Now a shadow of their former selves.
FogBlueInSanFran
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They were of their time, but Joy Division is timeless.
I can totally buy this as a difference.
Would Joy Division have gone the way New Order went musically if IC had lived? Would the quality of JD's work have deteriorated? Would they have just split up? Would JD have ever been as good if IC hadn't been so tortured and ill that he killed himself?
From all I know/have read about Ian if he could have gotten healthy physically or psychologically (spiritually?) I'd bet he would have approved of JD's/NO's direction. After all it was disco that cheered them up after he died and inspired the EP and then Power, Corruption and Lies.
FogBlueInSanFran
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The last album had some great tracks, Plastic and tutti fruity wouldn’t look out of place on the mighty Technique.
And this is one reason I adore them. I think their later albums have been really strong. I love a lot of Get Ready and Siren's Call and Music Complete too, not to mention the earlier catalog. That's a lot of years of good stuff. Not too many can claim such consistency.
FogBlueInSanFran
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40 years? They have split up for at least 10 of those, not had Hook for the last 12 years and not released anything decent since 2000-ish.
Were a great band. Now a shadow of their former selves.
I don't agree about their recent work at all, though you're right about the hiatuses. They miss Hooky and he's totally iconic -- but he's also a dick, so I can forgive them that. And I can get behind a split because one of the band members wants to stay home to take care of the kids.
BimboBob
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I'll give Plastic a listen.The last album had some great tracks, Plastic and tutti fruity wouldn’t look out of place on the mighty Technique.
It's very Donna Summer I Feel Love mixed with a speedier Visage The Damned Don't Cry.
Like the start. It went downhill after that.
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Stoned Rose
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Like it's even a choice.
No one in New Order ever wrote anything this good...
Existence, well what does it matter?
I exist on the best terms I can.
The past is now part of my future.
The present is well out of hand...
Ridiculous tune.
I first heard this on the jukebox in Corbiere’s and it gave me goosebumps.
1.618034
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We'll never know about the first 3 questions but for the 4th, probably not. But isn't that what makes most truly great art?I can totally buy this as a difference.
Would Joy Division have gone the way New Order went musically if IC had lived? Would the quality of JD's work have deteriorated? Would they have just split up? Would JD have ever been as good if IC hadn't been so tortured and ill that he killed himself?
From all I know/have read about Ian if he could have gotten healthy physically or psychologically (spiritually?) I'd bet he would have approved of JD's/NO's direction. After all it was disco that cheered them up after he died and inspired the EP and then Power, Corruption and Lies.
Stoned Rose
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FogBlueInSanFran
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We'll never know about the first 3 questions but for the 4th, probably not. But isn't that what makes most truly great art?
Yes, totally. It's a different kind of great art than New Order. New Order is great pop art, completely consumable. And creating that is a talent in and of itself.
Shit, my favorite record ever is Gang of Four's Entertainment and every guitar solo is like listening to someone scratch a chalkboard with a fistful of needles. Great art too.