Jurgen Klopp

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Dortmund have a great squad specially a good XI and they shouldn't be where they are. If we are to sack Pellegrini for the very same reason of not winning the league there is no reason to hire Klopp. Yes he had a great season last year but so did Pellegrini. I have watched a lot of Dortmund games this season and they have looked bang on poor and not even average.

This isn't a defence of or promotion for klopp:
Dortmund's squad it average. Past it players like Kagawa and sahin, failures like immobile and adrain Ramos. Then we have mkhitaryan who misses more than dzeko but cost a lot.
Then add the injuries Dortmund have had. Far worse than city's. And Dortmund's last season wasn't that good either even if they did reach the quarter finals of the CL, finished second and went to their cup final.

Someone else has made a good lost of Dortmund s injuries I think in one of the Pellegrini threads. They lost gundogan for over a year and he was on his way to becoming one the the top 3-5 central midfielders in Europe. He isn't fully recovered yet. They have been losing Reus to injuries, they had to mostly play their second string defence.

Then they kept on losing their best players year in year out. Sahin, Kagawa, gotze ,lewandowskki. All who were important first teamers

At the moment, only gundogans, Reus, bender, hummels, aubameyang, and possibly two or three more players like their left back would get into top squads

So that statement is not correct. It's equivalent of saying city lost Toure for a year to injury, lost aguero to out title rivals this season having lost Silva the previous season to them while nasri is in and out of the team due to recurring injuries and kompany can only play half the games

Having said that, Dortmund should still have never been in the relegation zone but fair play to klopp he has got them out

who bought those players?

I can accept injuries, but all I've heard for 6 months is how Dortmund are poor at the back, one dimensional and easy to stop in attack and has Klopp really sorted the team and got them out of the mess, or has it just coincided with Reus coming back and bailing him out?

I'm more than surprised at the current surge in "should hire Klopp" posts on this forum.

 

[bluechampion7891]

Dortmund have a great squad specially a good XI and they shouldn't be where they are. If we are to sack Pellegrini for the very same reason of not winning the league there is no reason to hire Klopp. Yes he had a great season last year but so did Pellegrini. I have watched a lot of Dortmund games this season and they have looked bang on poor and not even average.

This isn't a defence of or promotion for klopp:
Dortmund's squad it average. Past it players like Kagawa and sahin, failures like immobile and adrain Ramos. Then we have mkhitaryan who misses more than dzeko but cost a lot.
Then add the injuries Dortmund have had. Far worse than city's. And Dortmund's last season wasn't that good either even if they did reach the quarter finals of the CL, finished second and went to their cup final.

Someone else has made a good lost of Dortmund s injuries I think in one of the Pellegrini threads. They lost gundogan for over a year and he was on his way to becoming one the the top 3-5 central midfielders in Europe. He isn't fully recovered yet. They have been losing Reus to injuries, they had to mostly play their second string defence.

Then they kept on losing their best players year in year out. Sahin, Kagawa, gotze ,lewandowskki. All who were important first teamers

At the moment, only gundogans, Reus, bender, hummels, aubameyang, and possibly two or three more players like their left back would get into top squads

So that statement is not correct. It's equivalent of saying city lost Toure for a year to injury, lost aguero to out title rivals this season having lost Silva the previous season to them while nasri is in and out of the team due to recurring injuries and kompany can only play half the games

Having said that, Dortmund should still have never been in the relegation zone but fair play to klopp he has got them out

who bought those players?

I can accept injuries, but all I've heard for 6 months is how Dortmund are poor at the back, one dimensional and easy to stop in attack and has Klopp really sorted the team and got them out of the mess, or has it just coincided with Reus coming back and bailing him out?

I'm more than surprised at the current surge in "should hire Klopp" posts on this forum.

True on both counts but its not as black and white as that

The signings of immobile and Ramos were poor, but could Dortmund really do better (wages). Its not like the last time when they bought unknown young players (whether luck or actual good scouting I don't know) and developed them because the expectancy was not great but this time they needed instant results (compete for top 4) so chose more established players (even though they are poor)

Kagawa and sahin were brought back because of their past exploits with Dortmund and you could understand those signings even if they haven't worked out. They looked world beaters with Dortmund previously and were available relatively cheap so on the chance they recover their form those signings are understandable

Its not just Reus though, a lot of their injured players are back.

I also feel that most of the rebuilding job is/should be txiki's with some input from the manager. Its upto the manager then to use them in a style that the clubs wants to play. That's the great part about the dof structure even if I don't trust txiki yet (based on the last window)

 

[kupest]

This isn't a defence of or promotion for klopp:
Dortmund's squad it average. Past it players like Kagawa and sahin, failures like immobile and adrain Ramos. Then we have mkhitaryan who misses more than dzeko but cost a lot.
Then add the injuries Dortmund have had. Far worse than city's. And Dortmund's last season wasn't that good either even if they did reach the quarter finals of the CL, finished second and went to their cup final.

Someone else has made a good lost of Dortmund s injuries I think in one of the Pellegrini threads. They lost gundogan for over a year and he was on his way to becoming one the the top 3-5 central midfielders in Europe. He isn't fully recovered yet. They have been losing Reus to injuries, they had to mostly play their second string defence.

Then they kept on losing their best players year in year out. Sahin, Kagawa, gotze ,lewandowskki. All who were important first teamers

At the moment, only gundogans, Reus, bender, hummels, aubameyang, and possibly two or three more players like their left back would get into top squads

So that statement is not correct. It's equivalent of saying city lost Toure for a year to injury, lost aguero to out title rivals this season having lost Silva the previous season to them while nasri is in and out of the team due to recurring injuries and kompany can only play half the games

Having said that, Dortmund should still have never been in the relegation zone but fair play to klopp he has got them out

who bought those players?

I can accept injuries, but all I've heard for 6 months is how Dortmund are poor at the back, one dimensional and easy to stop in attack and has Klopp really sorted the team and got them out of the mess, or has it just coincided with Reus coming back and bailing him out?

I'm more than surprised at the current surge in "should hire Klopp" posts on this forum.

True on both counts but its not as black and white as that

The signings of immobile and Ramos were poor, but could Dortmund really do better (wages). Its not like the last time when they bought unknown young players (whether luck or actual good scouting I don't know) and developed them because the expectancy was not great but this time they needed instant results (compete for top 4) so chose more established players (even though they are poor)

Kagawa and sahin were brought back because of their past exploits with Dortmund and you could understand those signings even if they haven't worked out. They looked world beaters with Dortmund previously and were available relatively cheap so on the chance they recover their form those signings are understandable

Its not just Reus though, a lot of their injured players are back.

I also feel that most of the rebuilding job is/should be txiki's with some input from the manager. Its upto the manager then to use them in a style that the clubs wants to play. That's the great part about the dof structure even if I don't trust txiki yet (based on the last window)

So you mention Kagawa and Sahin as important players who left but they are now past it in a span of 2 years? Gundogan whilst looking good, wasn't on his way to being in the top 3-5 central mids in Europe. He was never near the levels of Yaya, Modric, Schweini. Looking at the other squads in the Bundesliga, I have to say that Dortmund even with the injuries definitely have a better squad than every other team except Munich. Maybe Wolfsburg come close to them but give me Dortmunds players over Wolfsburgs players any day.

Oh and I pretty sure Dortmund could have done way better than Immobile and Ramos. They spent 20 million Euros on him. There are loads of better players available for that fee and would take wages lower than him. I will give you the point on them losing Lewandowski and Gotze. Its not like they havn't spent. They are definitely one of top 3 teams in terms of spending as well.

I just don't see a reason to bring in Klopp whose style is so much different than what Txiki is looking for. Combine that with record this year and I don't see why he would be a better option than Pellegrini.

 

[bluechampion7891]

who bought those players?

I can accept injuries, but all I've heard for 6 months is how Dortmund are poor at the back, one dimensional and easy to stop in attack and has Klopp really sorted the team and got them out of the mess, or has it just coincided with Reus coming back and bailing him out?

I'm more than surprised at the current surge in "should hire Klopp" posts on this forum.

True on both counts but its not as black and white as that

The signings of immobile and Ramos were poor, but could Dortmund really do better (wages). Its not like the last time when they bought unknown young players (whether luck or actual good scouting I don't know) and developed them because the expectancy was not great but this time they needed instant results (compete for top 4) so chose more established players (even though they are poor)

Kagawa and sahin were brought back because of their past exploits with Dortmund and you could understand those signings even if they haven't worked out. They looked world beaters with Dortmund previously and were available relatively cheap so on the chance they recover their form those signings are understandable

Its not just Reus though, a lot of their injured players are back.

I also feel that most of the rebuilding job is/should be txiki's with some input from the manager. Its upto the manager then to use them in a style that the clubs wants to play. That's the great part about the dof structure even if I don't trust txiki yet (based on the last window)

So you mention1 Kagawa and Sahin as important players who left but they are now past it in a span of 2 years? 2Gundogan whilst looking good, wasn't on his way to being in the top 3-5 central mids in Europe. He was never near the levels of Yaya, Modric, Schweini. Looking at the other squads in the Bundesliga, I have to say that Dortmund even with the injuries definitely have a better squad than every other team except Munich. Maybe Wolfsburg come close to them but give me Dortmunds players over Wolfsburgs players any day.

Oh and I pretty sure Dortmund could have done way better 3than Immobile and Ramos. They spent 20 million Euros on him. There are loads of better players available for that fee and would take wages lower than him. I will give you the point on them losing Lewandowski and Gotze. Its not like they havn't spent. They are definitely one of top 3 teams in terms of spending as well.

4. I just don't see a reason to bring in Klopp whose style is so much different than what Txiki is looking for. Combine that with record this year and I don't see why he would be a better option than Pellegrini.

1. its happens - look at Torres or even better Mata (whose record is great at united but he seems much less of a player than he was at chelsea
2. disagree there. he owned Yaya when we played them. Madrid were after him before his injury
3. who though? Cavani or Higuain (these are the names supercrystal mentions a lot but just look at their fees and wages). its not like the market is littered with top quality strikers. and if we want to look at money poorly spent, we have spent the better part of 200M on players these past 2 years who havent really improved the XI (fernandinho is an exception, Mangala will prove to be great but the point still stands)
4. there are aspects that are compatible with what txiki wants to play. an attacking brand of fast football with pressing and ball retention. I think Klopp only fails in the last metric.

 

[gazzaa2]

There's only so long you can keep pulling rabbits out of the hat when your rivals have 3 x your budget and buy your best player every year.

 

[supercrystal7]

Dortmund have a great squad specially a good XI and they shouldn't be where they are. If we are to sack Pellegrini for the very same reason of not winning the league there is no reason to hire Klopp. Yes he had a great season last year but so did Pellegrini. I have watched a lot of Dortmund games this season and they have looked bang on poor and not even average.

Klopp has had a lot more than one great season. He has had several and took Dormtund back to the top. However, ever since they peaked in 2013 they have made terrible signings and that's there problem. Klopp like Wenger always has an injury crisis as well. His biggest weakness are his tactics and loyalty to certain players. He never ever should have brought either Kagawa or Sahin back. The Bundesliga had moved on. The quality of the Bundesliga was increasing exponentially due to German's golden generation getting older. Now the likes of Schurrle, Reus, Hummels, Boateng, Howedes, Bender, Bellarabi, Badstuber etc are all much older and better. It's much harder to compete in the Bundesliga.

That said I don't think there is any chance of Klopp leaving in the summer.

Yes Immobile and Ramos were shocking and they could have done much better. Just buying a talented German youngster like Selkie or Werner would have been much better in the long run. However, the big mistake was not selling Lewandowski, which would have given them an extra 25 million to spend and freed up wages. Instead for some stupid reason they kept him and gave him a pay rise. There comes a time when you have to take a gamble and invest. After getting to the CL final in 2013 they were one of the best teams in Europe. Instead of Mkhitaryan they could have got Eriskon or De Bruyne.

Klopp failing to realise that CL finalist are not underdogs and team will park the bus against them, alongside his failure to realise that running is not enough without technique. That coupled with the injury crisis and the board hesitating to spend big when they should have has led to them falling back. It's miracle that Reus stayed, but if he had left in the summer for his old release clause then they would have been without CL football and with a worse squad than Schalke, Leverkusen and Wolfsburg. They have to win the CL or spend very wisely to get back to where they were.

 

[Alex - City Matters]

Has apparently just asked for his Dortmund contract to be cancelled in the summer. Thomas Tuchel taking charge at Dortmund if the rumours are correct.

Could he be coming here then?

 

[Matt the Giant]

Has apparently just asked for his Dortmund contract to be cancelled in the summer. Thomas Tuchel taking charge at Dortmund if the rumours are correct.

Could he be coming here then?

Him, De Boer or Simeone (almost 100% impossible though) would be good choices.

But no matter who the manager is next season, he must be given the trust by the board to shape his own squad and strategy.

 

[querns]

Klopp feels burned out and wants to take some time off according to Bild.

 

[Matt the Giant]

Klopp feels burned out and wants to take some time off according to Bild.

I'm sure we'd give him a fortnight.