Jury Duty

Manc in London said:
SWP's back said:
Just had a Jury Summons come through the post, never had one before.

But I have a question, having seen it lass at least 2 weeks and the "pay" for loss of earnings is a maximum of £64.95 per day, has anyone ever been able to get themselves excused from doing Jury Service? It says only "exceptional circumstances" will allow that to happen.

My view is that those who are asked to be a juror should make the necessary sacrifices. It's a civic duty, one of the few times that many of us give something back to society.

I was on a jury last year. A horrible case involving physical abuse of a young boy. While it was distressing, it was also very interesting. It represented one of the few times I have given something back to society. I lost out financially but I am glad I did it.
Nah, fuck my civic duty, I work my arse off (sort of) and have no money left each month as it all goes into my business and to the tax man. That is civic enough without paying the neck end £4 1/2k to sit doing nothing for 2 weeks.

I am not in a position to lose out that much financially unfortunately.<br /><br />-- Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:39 pm --<br /><br />
tamworthblue said:
monkey-trousers said:
A work mate of mine was aked to do it about 10 years ago and he wrote back to them telling them that he was a 'conscientious objector' and that he didn't believe in the 'jury system'. They thanked him for his honesty and he didn't have to do it.

From memory, I think you can decline the first time (simply if it's inconvenient)but you will still get asked again and I think then you have no choice. Everybody told me there was no way out of it...bollocks. I wrote something like 'I do not feel I have the moral right to determine the future of another individual'. Job done as the above poster says. I run my own business and the bastards tax me enough without having to work for the fuckers for next to nothing.
SO I should put that down, along with "my business would suffer and may not recover as it's my busiest time (financial year end/ISA season), and put down I can get a Dr's note with stress.

Going to try all 3, cheers.
 
I have dibbed out twice, once I was at college finishing my finals, the second time I played the "self employed, need to manage the folk, lots of people rely on me" card - worked both times.

Chap in our place is just back after THREE MONTHS out on jury service on a big case in town - we certainly couldn't afford to keep him so he was on the minimum allowance, I think, (unless you can claim for loss of earnings?)
 
Write back in crayon saying

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SWP's back said:
Manc in London said:
SWP's back said:
Just had a Jury Summons come through the post, never had one before.

But I have a question, having seen it lass at least 2 weeks and the "pay" for loss of earnings is a maximum of £64.95 per day, has anyone ever been able to get themselves excused from doing Jury Service? It says only "exceptional circumstances" will allow that to happen.

My view is that those who are asked to be a juror should make the necessary sacrifices. It's a civic duty, one of the few times that many of us give something back to society.

I was on a jury last year. A horrible case involving physical abuse of a young boy. While it was distressing, it was also very interesting. It represented one of the few times I have given something back to society. I lost out financially but I am glad I did it.
Nah, fuck my civic duty, I work my arse off (sort of) and have no money left each month as it all goes into my business and to the tax man. That is civic enough without paying the neck end £4 1/2k to sit doing nothing for 2 weeks.

I am not in a position to lose out that much financially unfortunately.

-- Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:39 pm --

tamworthblue said:
monkey-trousers said:
A work mate of mine was aked to do it about 10 years ago and he wrote back to them telling them that he was a 'conscientious objector' and that he didn't believe in the 'jury system'. They thanked him for his honesty and he didn't have to do it.

From memory, I think you can decline the first time (simply if it's inconvenient)but you will still get asked again and I think then you have no choice. Everybody told me there was no way out of it...bollocks. I wrote something like 'I do not feel I have the moral right to determine the future of another individual'. Job done as the above poster says. I run my own business and the bastards tax me enough without having to work for the fuckers for next to nothing.
SO I should put that down, along with "my business would suffer and may not recover as it's my busiest time (financial year end/ISA season), and put down I can get a Dr's note with stress.

Going to try all 3, cheers.


No, seriously don't mention business or anything like that. I simply wrote that sentence on the actual form and sent it back. They can't put you on a jury if you won't make a decision (or indeed if you have a pre-determined decision) and that's what you're aiming for. I can only speak for myself, but it worked a charm and there were no comebacks.
 
No guarantee you'll even be picked for jury service SWP or do you just not want to chance it?
You go with oddles of other people,you've a number if it's drawn out you're called down to another area and if selected for jury service you then have to be selected by defence and prosecution lawyers. Chances are you'll be in the High court for at most an hour or two on the days your number is selected for possible service.
May not be that bad should you have to attend.
On the otherf hand.................................................?
 
Tourist since 1971 said:
Did jury service a few years ago and started out opened minded about the process. I thought I would take it seriously as a contribution to the community blah blah blah.

However, the reality was truly alarming. I was on 2 juries, one for a domestic violence case and one for driving a stolen car the wrong way down one-way streets in Sunderland. When we got in the jury room I was staggered by the prejudices, ignorance and general thickness of most of my 'colleagues'. Now, I appreciate that the jury should be representative of society, but fuck me how that lot would have coped with a detailed fraud trial I shudder to think.

I got elected foreman on both juries; the first time, and I kid you not, was because I was wearing glasses so I must be clever! And the second time was because some of the jurors had been on the first case and said 'you're the only one who's done it before'.

Having said all that (and please dont report me to the CPS for telling you) we probably got the verdict right in both cases, although in the second case not for the right reason. The case rested on the evidence of a copper who clocked the defendent driving the car and knew who he was - however, his mate was in the car at the time but had actually been convicted of nicking the same car in a previous case. So to my mind there was reasonable doubt as to who had been driving in our case (even though I thought the kid was banged to rights) - my fellow jurors though acquitted the scrote on the basis the 'coppers always lie anyway'.

The only memorable thing about the first case was hearing the judge and both barristers having to say 'spunk-bucket' several times. Don't ask.

So if you are thinking of committing a complicated foreign currency exchange fraud involving derivative contracts - go for it, the jury won't have a clue.


It was only when i sat on a jury a few years back at Minshull Street did I come to the same conclusion as that highlighted above. A jury call is suppose to represent a cross section of the British Public. God help us!
 
mick10 said:
No guarantee you'll even be picked for jury service SWP or do you just not want to chance it?
You go with oddles of other people,you've a number if it's drawn out you're called down to another area and if selected for jury service you then have to be selected by defence and prosecution lawyers. Chances are you'll be in the High court for at most an hour or two on the days your number is selected for possible service.
May not be that bad should you have to attend.
On the otherf hand.................................................?
Don't want to chance it mate. My diary is booked up weeks in advance where possible and the loss if earnings is fucking ridiculous, especially when my business expenses will remain the same despite me not earning.
 
I got out of it 20 years ago by saying i had been arrested that many times at football and each time i was fitted up and beaten up by the police i had lost all respect for them and wouldnt believe a word a policeman said in court.

This was true , i had a long list of offences at football dating back to 1971, something im ashamed of now but some of us went through that phase.

I received a letter excusing me for 30 years if i remember correctly
 
I’ve twice been called up. The first time was to Minshull Street court in Manchester. My first trial was for a Polish guy who threatened his wife and assaulted a police officer when he was called to attend. When he was questioned by the prosecution, he said “No comment”, and was swiftly told by the judge that he had to answer all questions put to him. I still remember the defendant’s name after 30 odd years. The case lasted about 4 days and was quite interesting. The second case was for a mundane traffic offence, well before the days of Nick Freeman (Mr Loophole).

The second time was around 20 years ago, at Crown Square in Manchester. I had a rape case which was so weak the judge ordered the jury to find not guilty, and he criticised the police and CPS for bringing the case. Another trial was against a young lad accused of raping a Down syndrome young adult. The judge said she was mentally defective, a legal term meaning she was not capable of making certain decisions for herself, and needed protection from the law in these areas. There was a strong implication she could not consent to having sex. However, some of the jurors would not have it that she was defective as they considered this to be a derogatory term towards the young girl, and this was a hung jury. To the consternation of the other jurors the foreman of the jury gave the wrong decision, and there were suppressed coughs behind him until he realised and corrected his mistake.

Another case I had was of someone who was caught receiving a television at 3 o’clock in the morning. He claimed he didn’t know it was stolen from a nursing home down the road. My fellow jurors outvoted me in finding him not guilty. The judge was not pleased and he refused the defendant’s request to have his expenses paid.

Then on the last day of my service, the ushers called thirty of us and we were driven to Minshull Street to be selected for a jury in a drugs case, which was due to last two weeks. I was lucky enough to be selected, and had another week off work hearing about all the finer aspects of drug smuggling and the gangster lifestyle. The judge here fined one juror for appearing late for a session, yet he himself nodded off at one point during the trial.

For me, it was much easier than work, as we would be asked to attend at 10am or sometimes 12am the next morning, and we were hardly ever still in court at 4pm. And someone was covering my work so it wasn’t as if I had a backlog to go back to.

I found the whole experience to be very interesting. The worrying thing for me though, is the thought that someone’s liberty can be decided by twelve random people, supposed to be of good standing. Of my fellow jurors, there were a couple of middle-aged people flirting with each other, who eventually withdrew from the discussion having made up their minds, and were not about to be persuaded. Some had a remarkable unexplained loyalty towards the criminal fraternity. Many had an unfortunate inability to concentrate for long periods. Some appeared to show disfavour towards ethnic minorities. I mentioned the ones that let a guy off from raping a Down syndrome girl, because they refused to accept that she had limited mental capacity.

On the subject of wanting to be excused, a friend of mine has chronic back pain, and his doctor wrote to the court saying he could not sit down for long periods of time (which was true). On the other hand, there should be some form of intelligence test to make sure the jurors are competent, so if you tell the court you are a member of Bluemoon, that might be sufficient to get you out of it.
 
I got off a few years ago after writing to the court saying that my job meant that I knew and had worked with some of the judges and barristers
 
SWP's back said:
Just had a Jury Summons come through the post, never had one before.

But I have a question, having seen it lass at least 2 weeks and the "pay" for loss of earnings is a maximum of £64.95 per day, has anyone ever been able to get themselves excused from doing Jury Service? It says only "exceptional circumstances" will allow that to happen.

I had the foresight to get myself a criminal record at an early age, just in case something like this ever popped up.

Another sure fire way to get off jury duty is to pretend you're racist or homophobic or a misogynist on the 1st day.
 
UUBlue said:
I’ve twice been called up. The first time was to Minshull Street court in Manchester. My first trial was for a Polish guy who threatened his wife and assaulted a police officer when he was called to attend. When he was questioned by the prosecution, he said “No comment”, and was swiftly told by the judge that he had to answer all questions put to him. I still remember the defendant’s name after 30 odd years. The case lasted about 4 days and was quite interesting. The second case was for a mundane traffic offence, well before the days of Nick Freeman (Mr Loophole).

The second time was around 20 years ago, at Crown Square in Manchester. I had a rape case which was so weak the judge ordered the jury to find not guilty, and he criticised the police and CPS for bringing the case. Another trial was against a young lad accused of raping a Down syndrome young adult. The judge said she was mentally defective, a legal term meaning she was not capable of making certain decisions for herself, and needed protection from the law in these areas. There was a strong implication she could not consent to having sex. However, some of the jurors would not have it that she was defective as they considered this to be a derogatory term towards the young girl, and this was a hung jury. To the consternation of the other jurors the foreman of the jury gave the wrong decision, and there were suppressed coughs behind him until he realised and corrected his mistake.

Another case I had was of someone who was caught receiving a television at 3 o’clock in the morning. He claimed he didn’t know it was stolen from a nursing home down the road. My fellow jurors outvoted me in finding him not guilty. The judge was not pleased and he refused the defendant’s request to have his expenses paid.

Then on the last day of my service, the ushers called thirty of us and we were driven to Minshull Street to be selected for a jury in a drugs case, which was due to last two weeks. I was lucky enough to be selected, and had another week off work hearing about all the finer aspects of drug smuggling and the gangster lifestyle. The judge here fined one juror for appearing late for a session, yet he himself nodded off at one point during the trial.

For me, it was much easier than work, as we would be asked to attend at 10am or sometimes 12am the next morning, and we were hardly ever still in court at 4pm. And someone was covering my work so it wasn’t as if I had a backlog to go back to.

I found the whole experience to be very interesting. The worrying thing for me though, is the thought that someone’s liberty can be decided by twelve random people, supposed to be of good standing. Of my fellow jurors, there were a couple of middle-aged people flirting with each other, who eventually withdrew from the discussion having made up their minds, and were not about to be persuaded. Some had a remarkable unexplained loyalty towards the criminal fraternity. Many had an unfortunate inability to concentrate for long periods. Some appeared to show disfavour towards ethnic minorities. I mentioned the ones that let a guy off from raping a Down syndrome girl, because they refused to accept that she had limited mental capacity.

On the subject of wanting to be excused, a friend of mine has chronic back pain, and his doctor wrote to the court saying he could not sit down for long periods of time (which was true). On the other hand, there should be some form of intelligence test to make sure the jurors are competent, so if you tell the court you are a member of Bluemoon, that might be sufficient to get you out of it.
Thanks for that mate, very interesting.

I was chuffed when I got the letter until I saw the expenses for loss of earnings. I simply can't afford the time off work for what they will pay is all as ill still have my normal over heads.
 
alib said:
I got off a few years ago after writing to the court saying that my job meant that I knew and had worked with some of the judges and barristers

If I was called rather than use that excuse, I would go and hope that some of the solicitors and Barristers I know from work would be defending the case, "Guilty to all charges, and here are some more the CPS might have overlooked M'lud"

Seems strange that some people complain about the legal system, but when asked to participate, then decide they cant afford it.
 
I've been called up twice, never done it.

Options include;

a) go to Amsterdam
2) get yourself some Epilepsy/concussion

Worked for me.
 
jimmy2000 said:
ive been excused for saying i had anxiety, they didnt even check and ive never been asked again.


...they're probably whispering about you behind your back... but don't worry about it...
 

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