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Rammy Blue
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John Wayne said:The danger of comparing this season to the previous campaign is that any improvement this season becomes exaggerated by the consensus that we completely underachieved last season.
In my opinion, it is of no relevance whatsoever to use any scale of the club's history as a benchmark for what we are doing this season, be it last season, eleven years ago, or thirty-four years ago. For example, the idea that "Saturday was great because in 1995 we lost 4-0 and 6-0 to Liverpool in the same week", carries no weight.
It is also a problem when all judgements are based on quantifiable data, particularly at this stage of the season. The fact that we have only lost once is enough for some fans to remain content. The fact that we are a few points off the top four with a game in hand presents another reason for some fans to believe in the status quo. These facts cannot be denied, but they can be countered by other statistics, for instance, six points from a possible eighteen, or five wins from twelve.
Mark Twain couldn't have been more true when he said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." Hence for now, I am judging City by what I observe at the games as they are taking place. And what I am observing is actually of great concern to City fans. Just as we are a couple of wins from being in the mix, we are two defeats from crisis. Where will the "only one defeat" brigade be hiding should that happen? Chelsea lost back-to-back away games but averted a crisis by virtue of their knack of winning (both prior and post the defeats). This run of draws has definitely done more harm to City than good because it leaves us at a crossroads going into a busy period.
But my real point is that our performances have been alarming given the obvious talent in the squad, and we have shown no signs of improvement in our run of draws. No sign of "gelling". This is because we are not functioning as a team; it should not be the case that fans are worried at every opposition set piece in our half of the pitch, or that we believe that a goal will be scored against us at any minute - this is not deluded arrogance because of our wealth, it is a major flaw that needs serious and urgent attention. If we could see discernible progress in our team, there would be fewer "moaners" frequenting this forum. But to just expect that we will "gel" in time and hope that hanging around waiting for the current regime to produce the goods, is just as "arrogant" as those who believe we should be turning teams over now and more often. Stability is over-rated in football. Mark Hughes should not be protected by the managerial merry-go-round that went before him. If he doesn't start winning soon, he should be gone.
sums it all up perfectly for me, excellent post.
levets said:hgblue said:Why people can't just accept that there are fellow blues on both sides of the Hughes divide, who hold their views just as sincerely and passionately as they do is just beyond me. Whether you want Hughes In or Out, we're all blues aren't we?
But this thread is not a Hughes in or out... it's about moaning for the sake of moaning. It's just developed into the two sides of the great divide... actually I am neither pro Hughes or anti Hughes... I am a City supporter and have been for a long time and have seen the effects of constant changing of the manager in the search of success... Even the youngsters know the story!!!
Now is not the time for moaning or criticism.
Sheik Mansour has given us the opportunity of our dreams... to rid the shackles of the old City... Let's show him a bit of respect and let him decide when and if the manager should be replaced. Too much tit for tat, one upmanship on this board recently; it's unwarranted, unnecessary and definitely counter productive to our aims...
If you've been a blue for a long time, you must surely know that we're the biggest load of moaning bastards going. I reckon we could win the Champions League 7-1 against Barca, and someone would be on here slagging Richards off for giving the goal away.
hgblue said:levets said:But this thread is not a Hughes in or out... it's about moaning for the sake of moaning. It's just developed into the two sides of the great divide... actually I am neither pro Hughes or anti Hughes... I am a City supporter and have been for a long time and have seen the effects of constant changing of the manager in the search of success... Even the youngsters know the story!!!
Now is not the time for moaning or criticism.
Sheik Mansour has given us the opportunity of our dreams... to rid the shackles of the old City... Let's show him a bit of respect and let him decide when and if the manager should be replaced. Too much tit for tat, one upmanship on this board recently; it's unwarranted, unnecessary and definitely counter productive to our aims...
If you've been a blue for a long time, you must surely know that we're the biggest load of moaning bastards going. I reckon we could win the Champions League 7-1 against Barca, and someone would be on here slagging Richards off for giving the goal away.
sadly... thats true.
bizzbo
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who are you to decide what is moaning for the sake of it? just ignore it if it bothers you, or come up with a witty retort. all this other stuff amounts to 'I am a better supporter than thou', and only serves to divide fans, who, generally are being quite civil towards each other.
bizzbo said:who are you to decide what is moaning for the sake of it? just ignore it if it bothers you, or come up with a witty retort. all this other stuff amounts to 'I am a better supporter than thou', and only serves to divide fans, who, generally are being quite civil towards each other.
great contribution to the debate... well done! Assuming it was aimed at me?
By the way, have you read the whole thread?
Blue Si O.B
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didnt say i was hard pal just saying that ill say every thing i say on this forum to any ones face and that i dont hide behind my keyboard, i say what i like and i like what i bloody well say :)levets said:bluesyob said:im scared of no man sweetheart
OK tough guy... you win the internet hard man award...
MCFC BOB
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Rammy Blue said:John Wayne said:The danger of comparing this season to the previous campaign is that any improvement this season becomes exaggerated by the consensus that we completely underachieved last season.
In my opinion, it is of no relevance whatsoever to use any scale of the club's history as a benchmark for what we are doing this season, be it last season, eleven years ago, or thirty-four years ago. For example, the idea that "Saturday was great because in 1995 we lost 4-0 and 6-0 to Liverpool in the same week", carries no weight.
It is also a problem when all judgements are based on quantifiable data, particularly at this stage of the season. The fact that we have only lost once is enough for some fans to remain content. The fact that we are a few points off the top four with a game in hand presents another reason for some fans to believe in the status quo. These facts cannot be denied, but they can be countered by other statistics, for instance, six points from a possible eighteen, or five wins from twelve.
Mark Twain couldn't have been more true when he said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." Hence for now, I am judging City by what I observe at the games as they are taking place. And what I am observing is actually of great concern to City fans. Just as we are a couple of wins from being in the mix, we are two defeats from crisis. Where will the "only one defeat" brigade be hiding should that happen? Chelsea lost back-to-back away games but averted a crisis by virtue of their knack of winning (both prior and post the defeats). This run of draws has definitely done more harm to City than good because it leaves us at a crossroads going into a busy period.
But my real point is that our performances have been alarming given the obvious talent in the squad, and we have shown no signs of improvement in our run of draws. No sign of "gelling". This is because we are not functioning as a team; it should not be the case that fans are worried at every opposition set piece in our half of the pitch, or that we believe that a goal will be scored against us at any minute - this is not deluded arrogance because of our wealth, it is a major flaw that needs serious and urgent attention. If we could see discernible progress in our team, there would be fewer "moaners" frequenting this forum. But to just expect that we will "gel" in time and hope that hanging around waiting for the current regime to produce the goods, is just as "arrogant" as those who believe we should be turning teams over now and more often. Stability is over-rated in football. Mark Hughes should not be protected by the managerial merry-go-round that went before him. If he doesn't start winning soon, he should be gone.
sums it all up perfectly for me, excellent post.
Post of the century. (:
bizzbo
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levets said:bizzbo said:who are you to decide what is moaning for the sake of it? just ignore it if it bothers you, or come up with a witty retort. all this other stuff amounts to 'I am a better supporter than thou', and only serves to divide fans, who, generally are being quite civil towards each other.
great contribution to the debate... well done! Assuming it was aimed at me?
By the way, have you read the whole thread?
nah. read the first few last night, and the last few tonight.
it wasn't aimed at you particularly. just, live and let live is the only way forward. we can't all agree, but we can agree to respect each other's right to voice our opinions, even when we disagree on the issues.
rastus
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I am never negative against the players, at the rare matches I go to. I dont boo Hughes and Co either, or on here for that matter.
But if bieng interested or concernd how we are performing generally as a club, with this amazing opprtunity we have is negative, then I am guilty.
Come on guys whats happend to our club is unbelievable, mindblowing and the internet for all its downfalls has allowed us to share our deeper worries and celebrations of this magic journey whether we are negative or positive on any issues, it doesnt matter here.
Its how we support the club at games that really matters imo.
But if bieng interested or concernd how we are performing generally as a club, with this amazing opprtunity we have is negative, then I am guilty.
Come on guys whats happend to our club is unbelievable, mindblowing and the internet for all its downfalls has allowed us to share our deeper worries and celebrations of this magic journey whether we are negative or positive on any issues, it doesnt matter here.
Its how we support the club at games that really matters imo.