Just heard some sad news

I'm guessing that JMA hadn't heard that the story had been confirmed when he posted his initial comment in the RIP thread and then went on to post this one.

I think you've got him wrong, there. He probably did know. Can JMA confirm or deny if he knew the White Hart Lane story actually was true.

The White Hart Lane RIP thread, I think, is one of the most absurd threads I've seen on here (and there's been a few); offering condolences to unknown people over an unknown death in unknown circumstances. If, in tomorrow's news, we hear that actually the bloke in question had a criminal record for assaulting his wife, there'll be a five hundred page thread by lunchtime telling the world what a c*** he was. Where does it stop.


If it was a twitter discussion it'd be: #startingthreadsforthesakeofit
 
Bilston Blue said:
I'm guessing that JMA hadn't heard that the story had been confirmed when he posted his initial comment in the RIP thread and then went on to post this one.

I think you've got him wrong, there. He probably did know. Can JMA confirm or deny if he knew the White Hart Lane story actually was true.

The White Hart Lane RIP thread, I think, is one of the most absurd threads I've seen on here (and there's been a few); offering condolences to unknown people over an unknown death in unknown circumstances. If, in tomorrow's news, we hear that actually the bloke in question had a criminal record for assaulting his wife, there'll be a five hundred page thread by lunchtime telling the world what a c*** he was. Where does it stop.


If it was a twitter discussion it'd be: #startingthreadsforthesakeofit

I didn't know.

I don't know if it would have made a difference. It would have removed, for me, some of the absurdity of people 'paying tribute' to someone who was completely nameless and whose circumstances of life, death and anything else were totally unknown. There also would have, by that point, been some sort of available confirmation - something more than "a bloke on the internet says...." - of a death actually taking place, so it would have removed some of the comedy value of people rushing to give heartfelt (yeah, right) tributes about something which might not even have actually occurred.

Also, I feel a bit less comfortable using a specific, known individual as a tool for parody, in those circumstances at least.

The answer is, I don't know. It shouldn't really matter, I suppose. The point is still the same and people are still acting in the same false, superficial manner, regardless of whether they know the story or not. However, it would remove some of the more absurd elements of it, so.......
 
I don't like this culture of RIP anyone either, and I think in a way JMA has it spot on. Facebook in particular is a complete shithole and fosters much of what is pretty pathetic in today's society.
However, you only have to read the Ablett thread to see that someone off this forum knew him personally, through a shared experience, and that possible personal connection should never be discounted.
So this one is a mixed bag for me, because the Internet is, by it's very nature, a global community that is quite small really.
These days I tend to stick by the old adage......if you don't like then don't read/post.
 
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
Well, here's me getting pangs of guilt at one or two of these replies. Especially Oakie's which is obviously enquiring in to a personal matter which was assumed to be of importance to the person he was speaking to. That's a decent thing to do and not really what I was getting at.

I should have made it even more absurd. I recognise that it wasn't outlandish enough.

Yes, as someone has stated, this was prompted by a thread in general football where the following was posted:

"not sure what happened, but a fan died at White Hart Lane tonight. Shocking R.I.P"

followed by the start of a string of throwaway "RIP", "condolences to the family", "thoughts with the family and friends" type replies.

I appreciate that it won't be shared by everyone, but that is comical, in my view.

Firstly, we have news, passed on by a stranger on the internet, whose accuracy we have no reason to doubt but who could be, let's face it, the biggest bullshitter alive, telling us that someone has died but we don't know who or how or why.

That's it. Yet it moves people to, like Pavlov's dogs, write RIP on an internet forum. For a stranger who may or may not be dead, we have no idea of their identity and we have no idea of the circumstances or background of the situation.

If that isn't the definition of fake sincerity, then I don't know what is. And I don't buy the "it's respectful" line. It is nothing of the sort. It is mindless. It has become an automated response. It will have no impact on anyone who is genuinely attached to the situation.

(And, again, I'll separate that from what oakie was doing, which was genuinely enquiring about something that would, quite obviously, have had an impact on someone involved, if it was true)

And to make it worse we then have the "thoughts with the family" claims. Now, perhaps I am the most heartless bastard on Earth but if anyone totally unconnected to this event heard this news last night and then subsequently spent today thinking about the family and wishing them well, then I am a Chinaman.

Yet such lies are masquerading as 'respect' on such threads on a regular basis.

That sort of comment is so insincere that it is astonishing. And that is why I thought it would amuse me to see if how many similar posts might appear below something detailing that someone, somewhere may or may not be dead and how many fake, insincere nothing comments, disguised in syrupy attempts to appear respectful it might gather.

Unfortunately, I was too stupid to realise that I hadn't made it so impersonal as to render it obvious that someone on here was not really affected by a possible death. Resulting in it backfiring and attracting genuine concern by someone who, on the strength of that post, seems very decent.

But, does that mean that this is going to detract from my disdain for nonsense like "RIP, thoughts with the family" type messages by people on threads about individuals with whom they have absolutely no connection and no knowledge about and whose loved ones are never even going to view such comments?

No, it doesn't. And if you require a serious reason to explain this thread, then I will put forward that the fake respect and insincerity displayed by such comments detract hugely from people who are genuinely sincere and genuinely give thought and efforts when someone passes away. Every time someone mindlessly types something like that on the internet, before opening up Redtube again, it detracts that little bit more and makes a mockery of the same words when they are genuinely meant and meaning what they actually state.

You're probably wasting your time. I've tried it before (not quite as tactfully) with the mourners on here, but they just fucking love to grieve. The humour comes from the fact that, deep down, they're the ones getting their kicks out of a corpse. I'm surprised I've not heard these lines yet:

"common decency"

"your stupid" (sic)

"they are human beings"

"how can you not cry?"

Their sadism doesn't really bother me. For want of a better phrase, live and let live. If they find misery pleasurable, fair enough. But it's a bit grating when they have a go at anyone who doesn't subscribe to their culture of tears. Sometimes, it's like listening to the fucking Smiths.
 
nashark said:
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
Well, here's me getting pangs of guilt at one or two of these replies. Especially Oakie's which is obviously enquiring in to a personal matter which was assumed to be of importance to the person he was speaking to. That's a decent thing to do and not really what I was getting at.

I should have made it even more absurd. I recognise that it wasn't outlandish enough.

Yes, as someone has stated, this was prompted by a thread in general football where the following was posted:

"not sure what happened, but a fan died at White Hart Lane tonight. Shocking R.I.P"

followed by the start of a string of throwaway "RIP", "condolences to the family", "thoughts with the family and friends" type replies.

I appreciate that it won't be shared by everyone, but that is comical, in my view.

Firstly, we have news, passed on by a stranger on the internet, whose accuracy we have no reason to doubt but who could be, let's face it, the biggest bullshitter alive, telling us that someone has died but we don't know who or how or why.

That's it. Yet it moves people to, like Pavlov's dogs, write RIP on an internet forum. For a stranger who may or may not be dead, we have no idea of their identity and we have no idea of the circumstances or background of the situation.

If that isn't the definition of fake sincerity, then I don't know what is. And I don't buy the "it's respectful" line. It is nothing of the sort. It is mindless. It has become an automated response. It will have no impact on anyone who is genuinely attached to the situation.

(And, again, I'll separate that from what oakie was doing, which was genuinely enquiring about something that would, quite obviously, have had an impact on someone involved, if it was true)

And to make it worse we then have the "thoughts with the family" claims. Now, perhaps I am the most heartless bastard on Earth but if anyone totally unconnected to this event heard this news last night and then subsequently spent today thinking about the family and wishing them well, then I am a Chinaman.

Yet such lies are masquerading as 'respect' on such threads on a regular basis.

That sort of comment is so insincere that it is astonishing. And that is why I thought it would amuse me to see if how many similar posts might appear below something detailing that someone, somewhere may or may not be dead and how many fake, insincere nothing comments, disguised in syrupy attempts to appear respectful it might gather.

Unfortunately, I was too stupid to realise that I hadn't made it so impersonal as to render it obvious that someone on here was not really affected by a possible death. Resulting in it backfiring and attracting genuine concern by someone who, on the strength of that post, seems very decent.

But, does that mean that this is going to detract from my disdain for nonsense like "RIP, thoughts with the family" type messages by people on threads about individuals with whom they have absolutely no connection and no knowledge about and whose loved ones are never even going to view such comments?

No, it doesn't. And if you require a serious reason to explain this thread, then I will put forward that the fake respect and insincerity displayed by such comments detract hugely from people who are genuinely sincere and genuinely give thought and efforts when someone passes away. Every time someone mindlessly types something like that on the internet, before opening up Redtube again, it detracts that little bit more and makes a mockery of the same words when they are genuinely meant and meaning what they actually state.

You're probably wasting your time. I've tried it before (not quite as tactfully) with the mourners on here, but they just fucking love to grieve. The humour comes from the fact that, deep down, they're the ones getting their kicks out of a corpse. I'm surprised I've not heard these lines yet:

"common decency"

"your stupid" (sic)

"they are human beings"

"how can you not cry?"

Their sadism doesn't really bother me. For want of a better phrase, live and let live. If they find misery pleasurable, fair enough. But it's a bit grating when they have a go at anyone who doesn't subscribe to their culture of tears. Sometimes, it's like listening to the fucking Smiths.
Amen...
 
I was on Facebook the other week and a 'friend' came on and said her pet gold fish had died.
Fuck me, the next half an hour she received messages from all over the place offering comfort in her grief or just small ''sorry to hear that Carol'' or ''thinking of you'' messages.
me and the wife couldnt stop pissing ourselves. At one point, the women said ''it was a good fish'' - how the hell could it have been a bad fish???? It was a fucking gold fish!
I'm surprised she didn't organise a wake....<br /><br />-- Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:05 am --<br /><br />
nashark said:
Sometimes, it's like listening to the fucking Smiths.

Hey I take exception to that remark! ;)
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
I was on Facebook the other week and a 'friend' came on and said her pet gold fish had died.
Fuck me, the next half an hour she received messages from all over the place offering comfort in her grief or just small ''sorry to hear that Carol'' or ''thinking of you'' messages.
me and the wife couldnt stop pissing ourselves. At one point, the women said ''it was a good fish'' - how the hell could it have been a bad fish???? It was a fucking gold fish!
I'm surprised she didn't organise a wake....

-- Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:05 am --

nashark said:
Sometimes, it's like listening to the fucking Smiths.

Hey I take exception to that remark! ;)
Now that is funny
 

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