Absolutely correct.
As I said above "She is black and Indian, however if she chooses which one to identify with, to fit a narrative, the person who comments on it isn't racist"
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Absolutely correct.
As I said above "She is black and Indian, however if she chooses which one to identify with, to fit a narrative, the person who comments on it isn't racist"
Onto ignore for you too.Absolutely correct.
As I said above "She is black and Indian, however if she chooses which one to identify with, to fit a narrative, the person who comments on it isn't racist"
FogBlueInSanFran
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What if she doesn’t choose? What if the observer just decided she was acting like a “race” person? Which is — by the way — what happened in the exchange in question.I am indeed.
IT IS NOT RACIST to make an observation on an individuals actions. You continue to minimise real racism and disrespect real victims.
She is black and Indian, however if she chooses which one to identify with, to fit a narrative, the person who comments on it isn't racist.
Or what if I told you to stop acting so “[race]”? Would that be racist? After all, I’m just observing your behavio(u)r and reaching a conclusion about what you’re presenting.
If not, fine, but I’m not going to start doing that because you say you aren’t offended FYI. Plenty would be, plus I wouldn’t anyhow.
What if she doesn’t choose? What if the observer just decided she was acting like a “race” person? Which is — by the way — what happened in the exchange in question.
Or what if I told you to stop acting so “[race]”? Would that be racist? After all, if just observing your behavio(u)r and reaching a conclusion?
If not, fine, but I’m not going to start doing that because you say you aren’t offended FYI.
if the observer just decided then the observer is a bell end. but not racist.
That would be racist however that is not in the same context as what has been suggested.
FogBlueInSanFran
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Well, the observer in this case IS a bell end.if the observer just decided then the observer is a bell end. but not racist.
That would be racist however that is not in the same context as what has been suggested.
Seems a slippery slope between the two scenarios to me but you’re right that wasn’t the context in this case.
Either you really think we're using it in an exaggerated way, or you really don't think Trump fits the main definitions of fascism.From Merriam-Webster
—often used informally in an exaggerated way
Like the city's ban on the use of trans fats and draconian restrictions on smoking, the new soda regulations are … yet another installment of what Jonah Goldberg rightly termed "liberal fascism."
I'm sure you must have looked at the full entry:
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often
Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition
At the core of fascism is loyalty to tribe, ethnic identity, religion, tradition, or, in a word, nation.
—Jason Stanley
There are differences between Italian Fascism, German Nazism, and their various nationalist descendants.
—Josh Jones
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: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
The early instances of army fascism and brutality are typical …
—Jason Watson Aldridge
Call it "soft fascism": a political system that aims to stamp out dissent and seize control of every major aspect of a country's political and social life, without needing to resort to "hard" measures like banning elections
gordondaviesmoustache
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Racist…Ah. So
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Again, anyone arguing that Trump, Vance, and the MAGA movement more generally are not fascist at this point are exceedingly ignorant, dangerously naive, or simply intellectually dishonest in service of their own aims (usually to indirectly or directly support Trump).Either you really think we're using it in an exaggerated way, or you really don't think Trump fits the main definitions of fascism.
I'm sure you must have looked at the full entry:
1
often
Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition
At the core of fascism is loyalty to tribe, ethnic identity, religion, tradition, or, in a word, nation.
—Jason Stanley
There are differences between Italian Fascism, German Nazism, and their various nationalist descendants.
—Josh Jones
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
The early instances of army fascism and brutality are typical …
—Jason Watson Aldridge
Call it "soft fascism": a political system that aims to stamp out dissent and seize control of every major aspect of a country's political and social life, without needing to resort to "hard" measures like banning elections
The first segment of this episode of On The Media (NPR series) is a great listen for anyone interested. It features a professor of Philosophy at Yale University who has written several books about fascism. He actually highlights how many aspects of MAGA rhetoric, policies, and governmental actions are straight from Nazi Germany. And how refusing to acknowledge that, or even call it what it is, is similar to what happened in the 1920s, when many refused to recognise the danger of the rhetoric and promised policies and actions Hitler and his surrogates were espousing, which helped the Nazis rise to power and commit myriad atrocities.
Fascism, Fear and the Science Behind Horror Films
Host Brooke Gladstone speaks with Jason Stanley, a professor of Philosophy at Yale University and who has written several books on fascism. He first warned about Trump's fascist rhetoric in 2018, and explains why it's more important than ever to call it by its name.
https://one.npr.org/i/1261127421:1261127423
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