Kamala Harris

Aphex said:
I can only answer one at a time. I know I'm in demand. I must say, I hope Trump wins to see the fallout on here. It will be delicious!
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You have asked why people in this thread think you are a thick ****, and you have answered the question yourself.
 
Aphex said:
Why is it racist? It's the way she uses her identity, along with the media, not what I think of it.

You are talking shit now mate. Just admit you are wrong
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Going on ignore now. Not going to waste my time on someone with your attitude to race.
 
west didsblue said:
Why?
Certainly sounds like you have a problem with them.
Maybe it’s because you’re a racist, which would go some way to explain your preference for Trump.
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Why would someone be racist because they make an observation on something or because of which major political party they support?
 
No its not! You do know what the word racist means don't you?
People pointing out that someone may identify as a different race to suit a situation is not even close to being racist. In fact it could be argued the person who swaps their identity to please, are racist and guilty of race appropriation.

The random way the word is thrown around is disrespectful to anyone who has ever been a victim of racism.
 
crazyadi said:
No its not! You do know what the word racist means don't you?
People pointing out that someone may identify as a different race to suit a situation is not even close to being racist. In fact it could be argued the person who swaps their identity to please, are racist and guilty of race appropriation.

The random way the word is thrown around is disrespectful to anyone who has ever been a victim of racism.
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Ah. So regardless of what she has said and done, it’s okay for someone who isn’t her to simply declare that she’s acting black or Indian (already racist to make such a designation) to suit the situation. And to criticiz(s)e that “presentation” regardless of her intent or lack thereof. Note the poster in question provided no examples by the way — he made a blanket accusation — not that “acting” in some “black” or “Indian” way isn’t already a massive racially-charged generaliz(s)ation.

If we’re talking about, say, Liz Warren, who exaggerated her Native American ancestry on her college application, that’s different. That’s appropriation. But Harris IS black and Indian, is she not?

Are you of mixed race heritage?
 
crazyadi said:
No its not! You do know what the word racist means don't you?
People pointing out that someone may identify as a different race to suit a situation is not even close to being racist. In fact it could be argued the person who swaps their identity to please, are racist and guilty of race appropriation.

The random way the word is thrown around is disrespectful to anyone who has ever been a victim of racism.
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Mixed race people aren't obliged to identify themselves to satisfy racists.

Not only is it racist, it's an accusation totally invented by Trump which gullible fools have taken as fact.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Ah. So regardless of what she has said and done, it’s okay for someone who isn’t her to simply declare that she’s acting black or Indian (already racist to make such a designation) to suit the situation. And to criticiz(s)e that “presentation” regardless of her intent or lack thereof. Note the poster in question provided no examples by the way — he made a blanket accusation — not that “acting” in some “black” or “Indian” way isn’t already a massive racially-charged generaliz(s)ation.

If we’re talking about, say, Liz Warren, who exaggerated her Native American ancestry on her college application, that’s different. That’s appropriation. But Harris IS black and Indian, is she not?

Are you of mixed race heritage?
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I am indeed.

IT IS NOT RACIST to make an observation on an individuals actions. You continue to minimise real racism and disrespect real victims.

She is black and Indian, however if she chooses which one to identify with, to fit a narrative, the person who comments on it isn't racist.
 
moomba said:
Mixed race people aren't obliged to identify themselves to satisfy racists.

Not only is it racist, it's an accusation totally invented by Trump which gullible fools have taken as fact.
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Absolutely correct.

As I said above "She is black and Indian, however if she chooses which one to identify with, to fit a narrative, the person who comments on it isn't racist"
 
crazyadi said:
I am indeed.

IT IS NOT RACIST to make an observation on an individuals actions. You continue to minimise real racism and disrespect real victims.

She is black and Indian, however if she chooses which one to identify with, to fit a narrative, the person who comments on it isn't racist.
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What if she doesn’t choose? What if the observer just decided she was acting like a “race” person? Which is — by the way — what happened in the exchange in question.

Or what if I told you to stop acting so “[race]”? Would that be racist? After all, I’m just observing your behavio(u)r and reaching a conclusion about what you’re presenting.

If not, fine, but I’m not going to start doing that because you say you aren’t offended FYI. Plenty would be, plus I wouldn’t anyhow.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
What if she doesn’t choose? What if the observer just decided she was acting like a “race” person? Which is — by the way — what happened in the exchange in question.

Or what if I told you to stop acting so “[race]”? Would that be racist? After all, if just observing your behavio(u)r and reaching a conclusion?

If not, fine, but I’m not going to start doing that because you say you aren’t offended FYI.
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if the observer just decided then the observer is a bell end. but not racist.

That would be racist however that is not in the same context as what has been suggested.
 
crazyadi said:
if the observer just decided then the observer is a bell end. but not racist.

That would be racist however that is not in the same context as what has been suggested.
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Well, the observer in this case IS a bell end.

Seems a slippery slope between the two scenarios to me but you’re right that wasn’t the context in this case.
 
Aphex said:
From Merriam-Webster

—often used informally in an exaggerated way
Like the city's ban on the use of trans fats and draconian restrictions on smoking, the new soda regulations are … yet another installment of what Jonah Goldberg rightly termed "liberal fascism."
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Either you really think we're using it in an exaggerated way, or you really don't think Trump fits the main definitions of fascism.

I'm sure you must have looked at the full entry:


1
often
Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

At the core of fascism is loyalty to tribe, ethnic identity, religion, tradition, or, in a word, nation.
—Jason Stanley
There are differences between Italian Fascism, German Nazism, and their various nationalist descendants.
—Josh Jones


2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
The early instances of army fascism and brutality are typical …
—Jason Watson Aldridge
Call it "soft fascism": a political system that aims to stamp out dissent and seize control of every major aspect of a country's political and social life, without needing to resort to "hard" measures like banning elections
 
Vic said:
Either you really think we're using it in an exaggerated way, or you really don't think Trump fits the main definitions of fascism.

I'm sure you must have looked at the full entry:


1
often
Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

At the core of fascism is loyalty to tribe, ethnic identity, religion, tradition, or, in a word, nation.
—Jason Stanley
There are differences between Italian Fascism, German Nazism, and their various nationalist descendants.
—Josh Jones


2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
The early instances of army fascism and brutality are typical …
—Jason Watson Aldridge
Call it "soft fascism": a political system that aims to stamp out dissent and seize control of every major aspect of a country's political and social life, without needing to resort to "hard" measures like banning elections
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Again, anyone arguing that Trump, Vance, and the MAGA movement more generally are not fascist at this point are exceedingly ignorant, dangerously naive, or simply intellectually dishonest in service of their own aims (usually to indirectly or directly support Trump).

The first segment of this episode of On The Media (NPR series) is a great listen for anyone interested. It features a professor of Philosophy at Yale University who has written several books about fascism. He actually highlights how many aspects of MAGA rhetoric, policies, and governmental actions are straight from Nazi Germany. And how refusing to acknowledge that, or even call it what it is, is similar to what happened in the 1920s, when many refused to recognise the danger of the rhetoric and promised policies and actions Hitler and his surrogates were espousing, which helped the Nazis rise to power and commit myriad atrocities.


Fascism, Fear and the Science Behind Horror Films

Host Brooke Gladstone speaks with Jason Stanley, a professor of Philosophy at Yale University and who has written several books on fascism. He first warned about Trump's fascist rhetoric in 2018, and explains why it's more important than ever to call it by its name.

https://one.npr.org/i/1261127421:1261127423
 
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