Keir Starmer

[metalblue]

Same. Interesting to see what Labour do if he does. Do they go with a big name and try and unseat him .... thereby causing the huge distraction they claim they are trying to avoid. Or do they sacrifice some briefcase wanker fresh from an internship at the Blair foundation?

It feels like the Labour Party will be dammed whatever they do. I’ve no idea why Starmer has chosen this hill to fight on, he’s not coming across as a strategic thinker here, just someone who doesn’t want any lefties in the Labour Party. Moreover he is creating an environment where you either agree with him or you’re gone - a dictatorship in all but name. No checks and balances to his folly (which he will have). I guess you need to be in the rose network to be one of his sort.

Be interesting to see how the grass roots view the purge of the left, getting these folk out knocking on doors and campaigning might be a bit harder than he thinks right now. Sure you’ll get some who would vote for a pig if it had a red rosette on it, I guess he is hoping for enough lethargy that only those type of Labour voters bother plus enough “dissatisfied” tories who are happy to vote for Sir Tory Starmer.

As you said earlier we are in a one party nation right now. A strong opposition anchors the government of the day nearer the centre than their ideologies - this Labour Party on the right can surely only send the Tory party further to the right, sure it might make them unelectable but at what cost.

 

[Don Karleone]

 

[urban genie]

when you have mad old bats like Siobhain McDonagh rolled out to defend starmer you know the party has gone down the right wing rabbit hole.

how she is in the party is unfathomable

 

[blueinsa]

He isn’t daft. Country will vote in a Blair clone and nothing else so that is what he will turn himself and the party into.

It’s electable and it gets rid of the Tories.

Left wing fantasy is best left for this forum and sixth form common rooms.

 

[west didsblue]

He isn’t daft. Country will vote in a Blair clone and nothing else so that is what he will turn the party into.

It’s electable and it gets rid of the Tories.

Left wing fantasy is best left for this forum and sixth form common rooms.

Always puzzles me why those on the Labour left that hate Starmer also didn’t like the last Labour government when it was probably the best government this country has had since Wilson in the sixties. Most people in this country are fairly centrist in their views and now that the Tories have morphed into UKIP with a selection of nutters and idiots in government and on the back benches, there’s really no alternative to Labour. The only way Labour can lose it is by throwing away their centrist credentials that Starmer has fought so hard to put in place.

 

[blueinsa]

Always puzzles me why those on the Labour left that hate Starmer also didn’t like the last Labour government when it was probably the best government this country has had since Wilson in the sixties. Most people in this country are fairly centrist in their views and now that the Tories have morphed into UKIP with a selection of nutters and idiots in government and on the back benches, there’s really no alternative to Labour. The only way Labour can lose it is by throwing away their centrist credentials that Starmer has fought so hard to put in place.

Completely agree.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Always puzzles me why those on the Labour left that hate Starmer also didn’t like the last Labour government when it was probably the best government this country has had since Wilson in the sixties. Most people in this country are fairly centrist in their views and now that the Tories have morphed into UKIP with a selection of nutters and idiots in government and on the back benches, there’s really no alternative to Labour. The only way Labour can lose it is by throwing away their centrist credentials that Starmer has fought so hard to put in place.

Unfortunately and perhaps unfairly Iraq probably remains the lasting memory of that govt. As far as the country having a feelgood factor and general prosperity goes it's hard to think of a better time than 1999-2002 in the last fifty years.

 

[Don Karleone]

Always puzzles me that "centrists" froth at the mouth when Tories lie but give this **** a free pass.

 

[blueinsa]

Unfortunately and perhaps unfairly Iraq probably remains the lasting memory of that govt. As far as the country having a feelgood factor and general prosperity goes it's hard to think of a better time than 1999-2002 in the last fifty years.

I won’t argue with that post but I will say Iraq is something his enemies on the left use against him rather than the vast majority of the electorate or even the Tories.

The crime wasn’t going into Iraq and deposing Saddam, it was a complete lack of a plan for what came after and the whole of the west is guilty of that.

 

[blueinsa]

Always puzzles me that "centrists" froth at the mouth when Tories lie but give this **** a free pass.

Centrists are just that, centrists.

Most are just to the left of centre economically and just to the right socially and are of one opinion in that they want rid of the Tories but want a government that represents them and their political beliefs.

Blair have them that and it’s no coincidence his dominance politically.