Keir Starmer

[BlueHammer85]

Starmer has and is doing everything to mop up the Tory voters , once in power he’ll shift centre left. Fine by me. Tories have to be beaten and he is the man to do it

 

[Postman Pep]

I imagine ‘Starmer is being mean to Corbyn‘ will play pretty well, but more as a sideshow. Meanwhile, Sunak will have the ghost of Truss and Johnson haunting him. People who became PM and in the case of Johnson, Sunak supported until he knifed him. Bit like Starmer is doing with Corbyn.

Politics is a rough old business. Perhaps Corbyn should be the bigger man and bow out gracefully for the good of the country and to rid us of the Tories. You think he will, or will it be all about him and how badly he has been treated? And if he does, how different in character is he to Johnson who makes everything about him and how badly he is being treated?

Was thinking nothing of the sort. But having read that I'm not sure what I'm thinking but it's definitely not what you're thinking. The kind of analysis you'd get from a hack immersed in the Westminster bubble.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Starmer has and is doing everything to mop up the Tory voters , once in power he’ll shift centre left. Fine by me. Tories have to be beaten and he is the man to do it

What makes you think he'll change position once in power? To date we have seen he is prepared to assume any position to get power and I think it's more likely he'll continue in that vain to keep it. Logical, but that suggests he's more likely to pander to the Murdoch press and corporate interests once in power than suddenly shift 'centre left' - which now appears to be where Cameron and Osbourne were as 'one nation conservatives'.

 

[BobKowalski]

Was thinking nothing of the sort. But having read that I'm not sure what I'm thinking but it's definitely not what you're thinking. The kind of analysis you'd get from a hack immersed in the Westminster bubble.

Is that a compliment? I don’t think it’s a compliment, but should I take it as a compliment? It’s not like I get many. Ah, fuck it, I’ll take it :)

 

[BobKowalski]

What makes you think he'll change position once in power? To date we have seen he is prepared to assume any position to get power

Well, Sunak isn’t going to shift centre left, so you’ll get better odds on Starmer doing it.

I’ll take those odds.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Well, Sunak isn’t going to shift centre left, so you’ll get better odds on Starmer doing it.

I’ll take those odds.

Fair enough, and when it comes to the ballot box so will I.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Can I point out Sixth fromers don't sit and discuss politics, they smoke weed, shoplift, play cards and try and get a shag, from the ones I see daily

You're shagging sixth formers?

 

[bluenova]

I imagine ‘Starmer is being mean to Corbyn‘ will play pretty well, but more as a sideshow. Meanwhile, Sunak will have the ghost of Truss and Johnson haunting him. People who became PM and in the case of Johnson, Sunak supported until he knifed him. Bit like Starmer is doing with Corbyn.

Politics is a rough old business. Perhaps Corbyn should be the bigger man and bow out gracefully for the good of the country and to rid us of the Tories. You think he will, or will it be all about him and how badly he has been treated? And if he does, how different in character is he to Johnson who makes everything about him and how badly he is being treated?

Do you think that's likely - For all his admirable qualities, Corbyn has a lot of similarity with Johnson and both are narcissists, who get very prickly when challenged.

He'd probably have imploded a lot sooner without the much more pragmatic John McDonnell by his side.

 

[Bluesince1979]

I wish I had the desire and inclination to answer your superb post. I do not though. I am drained mate, my passion for the Labour party is no more.

I just want Starmer out. Then start again or if need be start a new party of the left for the left. A Socialist party not full of liberal lefties droning on about capitalism being a good thing.

Whats your opinion of our local girl Angela Raynor?
I like her but i fear with her at the helm a certain section of society would never vote for a ‘gobby northern woman’.

The trouble is, only a conservative labour mp leader is getting in.

We’re doomed

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Starmer has and is doing everything to mop up the Tory voters , once in power he’ll shift centre left. Fine by me. Tories have to be beaten and he is the man to do it

Much as I hope that is true, the real problem he'll have is that it will take many years.
First he has to stop the shifting to the right encouraged by the last 13 years of Conservative government.
Then he has to decide where to start to move towards the left.
It's likely to cost a huge amount, and in not very long there's another election for him to be attacked, and with a hostile media waiting to wade in.

Unfortunately, the correction leftwards is difficult to make happen in the timeframe available. The lurch to the right will be difficult/damaging to them/expensive to fix by a lurch to the left, and so it'll take longer slower steps to achieve. Now if the 20-40 year old bracket are significantly left-leaning, there's a good chance of winning the next election even in face of the costs for doing so.
Get voted out in 2029/30, and it'll all have been a waste.