Keir Starmer

Don’t think the English really change that much. Blair, Cameron, Johnson, even Clegg. There is a fairly identifiable trend there, and one that appeals to the middle. Doubt Labour will elect anyone in that mould, so it’ll be a leader for the interim.
 
Hillary Benn ?? I think he would tick many voters boxes

I would resign my membership in disgust if he got elected. It was the likes of him who forced the contrarian position on the EU,when we should always have been the party of Leave. Benn and his ilk put siding with the capitalists before siding with our people.

He is as much to blame for Johnson as anyone.
 
You miss my point over those decades, while loyalties stayed and such improvemwnts as sure start, minimum wage, walk in centres, cancer treatment prioratizing made peoples lives better, labour focused on the economy being financially centered and communites carried on to decline.

Investment was there to help people, but not improve the places to be sustainable for the future and helped breed a brexit mindset and slow loss of faith in their traditional party.

Labours support with the electorate had been declining since 2005
Mate, I think you’re completely misrepresenting the data there.

2005 Labour’s support started to fall because of Iraq, and also because it was their 3rd term, show me a leader who’s popularity increases in their 3rd full term, it doesn’t happen.

You’re also forgetting, that while it was dropping, it was dropping from the highest point it had ever reached in history. Although it had dropped, it was still enough for a solid majority.

But this historic 10% drop for Labour yesterday is something completely different.

It’s dropping from an already pretty low base. Dropping to the lowest level for 100 years.

It’s also dropping during a period when it’s been in opposition for 10 YEARS! And in opposition against an absolute bunch of rag tag Tories, a complete shambles who have presided over some of the biggest welfare cuts and austerity we’ve ever seen.

The Labour MP for Sedgewick who last his seat said when he was knocking on doors, for every Labour voter who said they couldn’t vote Labour because of the Brexit policy, 5 said they couldn’t vote for Labour because of Corbyn.

Not because of Corbyn the man. But his “world view”. Anti west, anti business, anti ambition.

Promising things like free broadband that nobody asked for and thinking he could renationalise parts of BT. The British public thinks BT is better at running BT than Jeremy Corbyn would be.
 
I would resign my membership in disgust if he got elected. It was the likes of him who forced the contrarian position on the EU,when we should always have been the party of Leave. Benn and his ilk put siding with the capitalists before siding with our people.

He is as much to blame for Johnson as anyone.

Hang on we got told the membership demanded the remain position?

Which is it Russ?

I get it its deflect time and blame anyone and everything for the failure yet again of the supreme leader, his master McCluskey and the momentum stooges that run the whole lot behind the scenes but im not having it that it is the right of the labour party to blame for their shit brexit stance.

It was your own pro remain membership and i know this because i got told it several times on here by a few members.
 
Mate, I think you’re completely misrepresenting the data there.

2005 Labour’s support started to fall because of Iraq, and also because it was their 3rd term, show me a leader who’s popularity increases in their 3rd full term, it doesn’t happen.

You’re also forgetting, that while it was dropping, it was dropping from the highest point it had ever reached in history. Although it had dropped, it was still enough for a solid majority.

But this historic 10% drop for Labour yesterday is something completely different.

It’s dropping from an already pretty low base. Dropping to the lowest level for 100 years.

It’s also dropping during a period when it’s been in opposition for 10 YEARS! And in opposition against an absolute bunch of rag tag Tories, a complete shambles who have presided over some of the biggest welfare cuts and austerity we’ve ever seen.

The Labour MP for Sedgewick who last his seat said when he was knocking on doors, for every Labour voter who said they couldn’t vote Labour because of the Brexit policy, 5 said they couldn’t vote for Labour because of Corbyn.

Not because of Corbyn the man. But his “world view”. Anti west, anti business, anti ambition.

Promising things like free broadband that nobody asked for and thinking he could renationalise parts of BT. The British public thinks BT is better at running BT than Jeremy Corbyn would be.


Never said corbyn wasn't a problem.

But labour didn't restore industry and prosperity to the places that have abandonded them , as they focused on the financial services mainly out of London.

These places labour loyalty has been slowly eroded for a long time, brexit and the leadership finally put them across a line they were pushed towards for a long time.
 

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