Keir Starmer

[mexico1970]

The Indigenous population of Europe is not all white.

Spain and Portugal have Moorish influences, the East of Europe has Slavic influences. The indigenous population of the UK is a myriad of mongrel race and influence from Viking Norsemen, Jutes, French, Hugenot, Celts, Angles, Saxons, we share a common ancestry with the Basques. Thats not hard to understand is it.

I should have put Northern Europe, which is where we are. Too many people try to dismiss claims that white northern Europeans are indiginous to Northern Europe. Every clan you mentioned there are Northern Europeans and are white.

Why are you doing it?

Oh and whist we are at it the Basque indiginous peoples are white.

 

[Rascal]

I should have put Northern Europe, which is where we are. Too many people try to dismiss claims that white northern Europeans are indiginous to Northern Europe. Every clan you mentioned there are Northern Europeans and are white.

Why are you doing it?

Oh and whist we are at it the Basque indiginous peoples are white.

Why are you so concerned about skin pigmentation?

 

[mexico1970]

Why are you so concerned about skin pigmentation?

I'm not I was just responding to a post suggesting there are no indiginous people in the UK, of course there are.

 

[Rascal]

I'm not I was just responding to a post suggesting there are no indiginous people in the UK, of course there are.

There isn't as UG suggested, we are a mongrel race of many influences.

This is the description of indigenous according to Amnesty International

Who are Indigenous Peoples?​

Indigenous Peoples can be identified according to certain characteristics:

• Most importantly, they self-identify as Indigenous peoples
• There is a historical link with those who inhabited a country or region at the time when people of different cultures or ethnic origins arrived
• They have a strong link to territories and surrounding natural resources
• They have distinct social, economic or political systems
• They have a distinct language, culture and beliefs
• They are marginalised and discriminated against by the state
• They maintain and develop their ancestral environments and systems as distinct peoples

Each of these characteristics may be more or less important depending on the situation. Indigenous Peoples are also known as First Peoples, Aboriginal Peoples, or Native Peoples. In some countries there are specific terms such as Adivasis (India) or Janajatis (Nepal).

Indigenous Peoples have a special relationship with the land on which they have lived for generations, sometimes for tens of thousands of years. They possess crucial knowledge about how to manage natural resources sustainably and act as guardians or custodians of the land for the next generation. Losing their land means a loss of identity.

 

[mexico1970]

There isn't as UG suggested, we are a mongrel race of many influences.

This is the description of indigenous according to Amnesty International

Who are Indigenous Peoples?​

Indigenous Peoples can be identified according to certain characteristics:

• Most importantly, they self-identify as Indigenous peoples
• There is a historical link with those who inhabited a country or region at the time when people of different cultures or ethnic origins arrived
• They have a strong link to territories and surrounding natural resources
• They have distinct social, economic or political systems
• They have a distinct language, culture and beliefs
• They are marginalised and discriminated against by the state
• They maintain and develop their ancestral environments and systems as distinct peoples

Each of these characteristics may be more or less important depending on the situation. Indigenous Peoples are also known as First Peoples, Aboriginal Peoples, or Native Peoples. In some countries there are specific terms such as Adivasis (India) or Janajatis (Nepal).

Indigenous Peoples have a special relationship with the land on which they have lived for generations, sometimes for tens of thousands of years. They possess crucial knowledge about how to manage natural resources sustainably and act as guardians or custodians of the land for the next generation. Losing their land means a loss of identity.

Amnesty international indeed, if you're arguing that Europeans aren't indiginous to Europe then you're guilty of pontification.

There are indiginous people living on this rock and all the political noise can't change that.

 

[Rascal]

Amnesty international indeed, if you're arguing that Europeans aren't indiginous to Europe then you're guilty of pontification.

There are indiginous people living on this rock and all the political noise can't change that.

Who are they then?

 

[hilts]

@Rascal and @mexico1970 for those who haven’t ever seen them:-)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

This discussion on indigenous people is interesting, many say we're a mongrel race, and to an extent that's true, DNA tests identified many in western areas to be descendants of early Brits, but we're mainly Anglo Saxon.
What people get confused about is inward migration fundamentally altering the make up of the people, but large scale immigration only happened in the last 60 years or so, before that it was mainly limited to Irish and a small number of Jewish folk fleeing persecution.

 

[mexico1970]

@Rascal and @mexico1970 for those who haven’t ever seen them:-)

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I hope I am the younger good looking one, otherwise I WILL sue ;)

 

[Rascal]

This discussion on indigenous people is interesting, many say we're a mongrel race, and to an extent that's true, DNA tests identified many in western areas to be descendants of early Brits, but we're mainly Anglo Saxon.
What people get confused about is inward migration fundamentally altering the make up of the people, but large scale immigration only happened in the last 60 years or so, before that it was mainly limited to Irish and a small number of Jewish folk fleeing persecution.

The Normans immigrated into this country in large numbers in 1066, the Romans around the time that miracle baby was supposed to be wondering around turning water into wine were here in large numbers. Kirk Douglas and his mob were all immigrants and as soon as Britain got an Empire immigration became an issue, look at the China Towns in our Cities. There are loads of Brits all over the world as well, parts of Argentina speak Welsh and have sheep farmers. Australia is full of convict blood. The first Mosque in the UK was built in 1889. The first Sikh Gudjarwa was in 1908. The Spanish tried to Immigrate here in large numbers but were caught in a storm as a bloke finished his bowls. William Of Orange and his Dutchies were in Torquay in 1688 and not here just for a week at Fawlty Towers.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The Normans immigrated into this country in large numbers in 1066, the Romans around the time that miracle baby was supposed to be wondering around turning water into wine were here in large numbers. Kirk Douglas and his mob were all immigrants and as soon as Britain got an Empire immigration became an issue, look at the China Towns in our Cities. There are loads of Brits all over the world as well, parts of Argentina speak Welsh and have sheep farmers. Australia is full of convict blood. The first Mosque in the UK was built in 1889. The first Sikh Gudjarwa was in 1908. The Spanish tried to Immigrate here in large numbers but were caught in a storm as a bloke finished his bowls. William Of Orange and his Dutchies were in Torquay in 1688 and not here just for a week at Fawlty Towers.

Mostly true, but not quite all, Rascal. The Normans were overlords, as conquerors
they did exactly that, actually mixing with the local population was not apparently a regular occurrence, same with the Romans, although this is more difficult to ascertain. The biggest influx by far were Anglo Saxons, of which most of us share the DNA of, particularly in eastern England, Vikings were actually almost wiped out in their northern strongholds with William the Conquerors 'Harrying of the North,' as he saw them as a threat, so there are traces of Scandinavian DNA, of course, but again not of the same quantity.
Fascinating topic though.

 

[Rascal]

Mostly true, but not quite all, Rascal. The Normans were overlords, as conquerors
they did exactly that, actually mixing with the local population was not apparently a regular occurrence, same with the Romans, although this is more difficult to ascertain. The biggest influx by far were Anglo Saxons, of which most of us share the DNA of, particularly in eastern England, Vikings were actually almost wiped out in their northern strongholds with William the Conquerors 'Harrying of the North,' as he saw them as a threat, so there are traces of Scandinavian DNA, of course, but again not of the same quantity.
Fascinating topic though.

It is fascinating I agree.

I was reading a couple of weeks ago somewhere, i cant remember where, but apparently the North's rebellious streak can be traced back to the Norman conquest. the lads who were here back then didn't like the Normans and thought them haughty and a bit stuck up and it now manifests itself in the British inherent distrust of the French and the dislike of Southerner's

 

[Metal Biker]

This discussion on indigenous people is interesting, many say we're a mongrel race, and to an extent that's true, DNA tests identified many in western areas to be descendants of early Brits, but we're mainly Anglo Saxon.
What people get confused about is inward migration fundamentally altering the make up of the people, but large scale immigration only happened in the last 60 years or so, before that it was mainly limited to Irish and a small number of Jewish folk fleeing persecution.

They did a large scale research on British ancestry a few years ago and it came up with some rather intriguing results.

First, 1/8 people in the North of England are likely to have Danish ancestry, owing to Danelaw, that the Vikings did not rape and pillage as much as history likes to suggest and the Normans did not mass migrate to England, only their Lords and laws did as they found no trace of any Norman ancestry. Not even the Romans had a look in, as many 'Romans' in Britannia were mostly servile Britons and once the Romans left they didn't leave much or any trace of their genetic code amongst the native populous. To summerise, neither the Normans, Romans or Vikings bonked around enough to leave a lasting genetic heritage in the UK. If there is any, it's around the 5% figure.

The funniest one of all (to me) was that the idea some have of the 'Celts' being a "racial group" in the UK, is complete hogwash. Ancestral Britons just traded with actual Celtic/Gallic groups, purchasing Celtic iconography and importing the culture, rather than it originating here as some suggest. Basically, 'Celts' didn't migrate and 'settle' to establish the Celtic culture. They just thought it looked cool and the culture spread as a result, not unlike Christianity did here in fairness. The 'Celtic' Britons were just fanboys who shared no differences to anyone else in Northern Europe other than that they decorated their homes with celtic stuff.

People tend to underestimate just how much the Angles, Saxons and Jutes dominated and reshaped the cultural aspect of the islands, how far the culture reached and that they had been arriving in England during Roman Occupation and that it stepped up several gears once they knew the Romans were leaving. They brought with them Germanic Paganism, which still has heavy influences over our everyday lives and survived the Christianisation of England. One thing I feel has to be said though is that the term "Anglo-Saxon" is a relatively recent term, as there's virtually no evidence the people in England (or Ængeland) referred to themselves as such. Likelier it was Ængelcynn but even that is sketchy as it was more Æthelstan trying to promote the idea of his new nation.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

This lack of purity in the indigenous people at least explains why the majority of people on the Continent call us bastards.

 

[Metal Biker]

This lack of purity in the indigenous people at least explains why the majority of people on the Continent call us bastards.

It was more Henry VIII's actions pissing off the majorily Catholic Continent of Europe and Pope that did that. We've been labelled as outcasts (and worse) ever since.

 

[urban genie]

The indigenous population of the UK is white European at the very least, that's not hard to understand is it?

People from Asia minor first migrated and settled in Britain, and then the Yamnaya, also from Asia, then you had the ware and belle beck inbetween but those cultures and people were decendents of settlers from eurasia.

Then we had the romans and their vast multicultural society.

Then the angles, saxon, jutes, etc then the french, and so on and so on

 

[urban genie]

This discussion on indigenous people is interesting, many say we're a mongrel race, and to an extent that's true, DNA tests identified many in western areas to be descendants of early Brits, but we're mainly Anglo Saxon.
What people get confused about is inward migration fundamentally altering the make up of the people, but large scale immigration only happened in the last 60 years or so, before that it was mainly limited to Irish and a small number of Jewish folk fleeing persecution.

North west is very celtic Irish with the highest proportion in any part of England at 28%

 

[Metal Biker]

People from Asia minor first migrated and settled in Britain, and then the Yamnaya, also from Asia, then you had the ware and belle beck inbetween but those cultures and people were decendents of settlers from eurasia.

Then we had the romans and their vast multicultural society.

Then the angles, saxon, jutes, etc then the french, and so on and so on

The 'French' never migrated to England. Normans were not French, they were Scandinavian.

They adopted the language after trading with the French after conquering Northern France, and renamed it Normandy. (After the Normans or 'Norsemen')

 

[urban genie]

The 'French' never migrated to England. Normans were not French, they were Scandinavian.

They adopted the language after trading with the French after conquering Northern France, and renamed it Normandy. (After the Normans or 'Norsemen')

The ones who invaded us over a 150 yearsrs after thei viking ancestors settled in normandy had adopted mamy franco and roman teaditions, catholocism and intergrated french dialects and words into their language to create norman french.

Just goes to show how no part of europe can be defind as anything but mixed culturally and ethnically, especially the British Isles

 

[Metal Biker]

The ones who invaded us over a 150 yearsrs after thei viking ancestors settled in normandy had adopted mamy franco and roman teaditions, catholocism and intergrated french dialects and words into their language to create norman french.

Just goes to show how no part of europe can be defind as anything but mixed culturally and ethnically, especially the British Isles

Still doesn't mean they were French, nor did they migrate.

Only those with power and influence did and they were maybe in the hundreds to keep and influence William's control. The bags of gold presented to English Thanes did the rest.