Keir Starmer

Thanks to covid, a series of gaffes and Boris inability to stop lying Starmer is our next pm unless of course once again Labour manages to miss the most open of open goals .....
 
Gaudion M said:
Brexit is a difficult one for labour. The majority of the party know its dog shit but they also know that a number of the voters they lost were due to opposing it. Keir is playing it safe by not standing in the way. This will define the tories whatever labour do and getting in the way only plays to the tory narrative.

Once the deal is done it just becomes clear how shit it was and the tories have to find something else to make a crusade out of. Not sure they will do that well.

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PB put a poll up the other day and it was highlighted though for half of 2018 labour were leading in the polls similar after arresting a 20 point drop.

Will mean fuck all until 2024, incidently tjat is the when the brexit deal can be reviewed and used as an election tool again.
 
The very excitable FBPE rejoin mob are all in a tizzy tonight, that idiot Femi is conducting them. Labour must oppose the Tories deal on the grounds it is a crap deal, if that means no deal, then good.

The FBPE mob are dreaming of Starmer in shining armour riding a white horse leading them back to their neo liberal promised land.

What it does show is that Starmer's support in voting for/abstaining on the Tory deal exposes the truth behind the peoples vote campaign. it was never about stopping Brexit, it was about stopping Socialism.
 
Petethemancinleeds said:
Thanks to covid, a series of gaffes and Boris inability to stop lying Starmer is our next pm unless of course once again Labour manages to miss the most open of open goals .....
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Starmer wants a labour party that mirrors what Biden is doing to the Democrats. He will spend his time trying to project he's the sensible man in the room, and depending on who's leader of the opposition he may well win using that strategy. He'll tick all the right boxes for cabinet ministers to show how diverse he is. In power he will do what ever his donors tell him. The members will just be paying a subscription for nothing in return.

His biggest mistake should he make it will be to turn his party into the European party. People are fatigued. He needs to sell a vision of hope of a reborn country that will engage voters.

That's if he lasts until conference mind. Should it be allowed with delegates in a main hall the left of the party will bring their disputes and arguments out in the open floor, which the Tories love because they can start spouting the party is fractured etc. Unlike them who would rather pull strings in the shadows.
 
Rascal said:
The very excitable FBPE rejoin mob are all in a tizzy tonight, that idiot Femi is conducting them. Labour must oppose the Tories deal on the grounds it is a crap deal, if that means no deal, then good.

The FBPE mob are dreaming of Starmer in shining armour riding a white horse leading them back to their neo liberal promised land.

What it does show is that Starmer's support in voting for/abstaining on the Tory deal exposes the truth behind the peoples vote campaign. it was never about stopping Brexit, it was about stopping Socialism.
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You're getting weird. You said last Thursday that it would be easier to achieve a socialist state without a deal but now opposing a deal is about stopping socialism.
 
Vic said:
You're getting weird. You said last Thursday that it would be easier to achieve a socialist state without a deal but now opposing a deal is about stopping socialism.
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You misunderstand what i am saying. I want no deal, so i want labour to oppose a deal so there is a chance of no deal happening as the current deal is rubbish.

And yes i am weird, cheers


Starmer's support for the peoples vote campaign in my opinion shows he was more interested in stopping Socialism because a peoples vote may have ended up with remain winning and staying in the EU stops Socialism in its tracks. Paul Mason yesterday highlighted the divide in Labour when he called Labour a Social Democratic Party, its not it is a Democratic Socialist party. This argument was what caused the split in the early 80s when the gang of 4 who were Pro EU formed the SDP, because Labour under Foot had a manifesto pledge to leave the EU.

You make think its splitting hairs, but to us on the left it is an important ideological distinction. The SDP joined their natural allies the Liberals, Socialism is not liberal.
 
A forward thinking future looking party.

We will not look to tge past but the furure say starmer

What the fuck does that even mean?

Oh year it was new labours campaign slogan for 2005

Labour will fight for a third term under the slogan "Britain: Forward Not Back", Alan Milburn announced today.

Rejecting claims that the election motto was "vacuous", the election strategist said it "symbolised the choice before the British people"
 
Genuine question is Starmer the leader of the UK party or just the English?
 
Starmer has said fuckall of worth about Covid only parroting support for the tories while stating the bleeding obvious, no clear calling out of them to act on exact things or putting forward debates or motions in the house.

If he had anything about him he would demand what is now necessary not say "I back the government but they need to show real leadership" blah blah.

As fort he EU vote, all he has to say is the deal is shite and I won't back it, what I will do is promise to get us a better deal in four years for a britian independant of the EU, shout proudly that he is happy to be out but the tories are useless cunts.

What we will get is "I back the government but they need to show real leadership" blah blah.
 


Looks like Starmer is heading in the right direction but it's not going to be anywhere near enough without a full on purge of the Momentumistas. Starmer would need to have a huge lead in the polls in order for it to translate to an election win given the obstacles for Labour of the FPTP system.

The gap will widen again as the trade agreements get done and people forgive the Tories over Covid and free speech/culture issue #94568 comes up once more where Labour are weak.

Labour needs more than a new leadership.
 
urban genie said:
The Westminster party.

Scottish labour and Welsh labour are mainly in holyrood and the senned
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So the mp’s report to Kier whilst those in the assemblies report to the local leaders is that correct? I Assume all parties the same?
 
Fame Monster said:


Looks like Starmer is heading in the right direction but it's not going to be anywhere near enough without a full on purge of the Momentumistas. Starmer would need to have a huge lead in the polls in order for it to translate to an election win given the obstacles for Labour of the FPTP system.

The gap will widen again as the trade agreements get done and people forgive the Tories over Covid and free speech/culture issue #94568 comes up once more where Labour are weak.

Labour needs more than a new leadership.
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Momentum have committed to back Starmer. He ain't going to purge them, plus Momentum have only around 40,000 members , which is around 1 in 10 of all Labour party members

The Socialist Campaign group of MPs has links to Momentum and that includes many left wing MPs.

If he does purge Momentum and then by default the Socialist Campaign group, he will be left with about 100 MPs and a membership probably less than 300,000., maybe even approaching 200,000.

What the party loses if they purge Momentum further is the people who actually do the campaigning on the streets which is why we saw Rayner's pathetic begging video asking for members to volunteer to do the campaigning because people like me no longer bother.

It doesn't really matter though because there are enough silly cunts who will vote Tory whatever happens. They could reintroduce slavery, the death penalty, child labour, the Poor House, pretty much whatever they want, because Keith will vote for it or abstain anyway.
 
A quick summary of Keiths HoC performance from the North Wales Socialists twitter feed


"We know this shambolic deal means a race to the bottom for workers, consumer and Environmental rights and regulations and protections for Capitalist greed. Yet we will vote for it anyway in a transparent attempt to win right wing and centrist votes"


Its difficult to argue with the North Wales Socialists.
 
Rascal said:
A quick summary of Keiths HoC performance from the North Wales Socialists twitter feed


"We know this shambolic deal means a race to the bottom for workers, consumer and Environmental rights and regulations and protections for Capitalist greed. Yet we will vote for it anyway in a transparent attempt to win right wing and centrist votes"


Its difficult to argue with the North Wales Socialists.
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Imagine wanting to win centrist votes!

In a country where most people are pretty centrist in their political views.

It's almost like Starmer wants to make Labour more electable.

What a fuckwit.
 
Cheesy said:
Imagine wanting to win centrist votes!

In a country where most people are pretty centrist in their political views.

It's almost like Starmer wants to make Labour more electable.

What a fuckwit.
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Starmer is pretty left wing, it’s what the posters on here, the socialists, don’t understand.

His pledges, that will be made manifesto policies, include nationalising in key industries.

He would be the most left wing PM since the 1970’s and would be a big step to the left, compared to society now.

But, he’s not a purist socialist, so they don’t want him and he is seen as their enemy, because he’s clamped down on antisemitism, which included getting rid of some of their people, which kind of says it all.

The words “wood for the trees” and “cut off your nose to spite your face” come to mind when I read this thread.

Some would rather Labour lost and be vindicated that Corbyn was the man to lead Labour, than see Starmer become PM.

Starmer is more left wing than Miliband, the difference he has with Corbyn is he doesn’t have 3000 skeletons in his closet... he’s not been a friend of the IRA or Hamas or been laying wreaths at the graves of Jew murdering terrorists. He hasn’t said antisemitic things, despite the fact he served in an antisemitic cabinet, he’s not a donkey jacket wearing socialist, stuck in the 70s like Corbyn and McDonnell.

He’s a modern and eloquent social democrat, who is picking his battles with the Tories, in a calculated manner, which makes a change!

And for those saying he sits on the fence too much, I mean, it’s a little rich when you see Corbyn’s Brexit approach. The coward didn’t even admit he wanted to leave.
 
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