Keir Starmer

In this country standards of behaviour in public and political life are rightly or wrongly governed by unwritten rules,previous established practices and behavioural codes to be observed by gentlemen and women.
However this government is trashing the rules and the gentlepeople have left the stage.
In this context Rayner's comments are IMO perfectly acceptable.
I would have gone one further and added an expletive deleted before the word scum.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
People may well see Johnson as a racist, homophobic, misogynistic, arrogant ****, who is fucking scum... they may well be right... but that has nothing to do with politics. People don't want to hear this tribal bluster from voters and certainly not from MPs.
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It is everything to do with politics, this makes him unfit to lead the country and he should be called out for it every minute of every day.
 
Rascal said:
It is everything to do with politics, this makes him unfit to lead the country and he should be called out for it every minute of every day.
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You all obviously don't get it because your post and the two posts directly above yours prove my point you omitted from my post you quoted.

Until you all start to understand, you will never entice abstainers and alternative voters away from abstaining and voting alternatively, and voting for Labour instead; and Labour will never be in power.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
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Engender blog | F-words: Finn McKay on gender ideology

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Yeah, I have already told you that I don't regard that man as trans and didn't use female pronouns for him.

I mean attention seeking Alex hasn't even appeared in the news in recent years but let's pretend that doesn't mean anything.

Go ahead knock yourself out, get back on the westworld host character loop.

Perhaps you could have a change of storyline, bathroom body inspector or aggressively handing out leaflets to school children like Piers Corbyn?
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This is sanity, clear and articulate, this is how it is.....




This is madness, so mad it is impossible to articulate without recourse to embarrassing obfuscation and evasion....

 
Fode N The Hole said:
www.engender.org.uk

Engender blog | F-words: Finn McKay on gender ideology

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Oh, this garbage is the usual guilt by association you're particularly fond of. Right wing bigots, for their own ends, don't like gender ideology, therefore anyone who criticises gender ideology is a right wing bigot. This is Hitler was a fascist and a vegetarian, therefore vegans are fascists.

Why can't we all just get along? Stop picking fights with each other and let's fight the common enemy!

Fuck that! Women can see through this bollocks.
 
Rascal said:
I can understand her frustrations, Johnson gets away with saying a myriad of unacceptable statements, he though is Eton educated and part of the accepted establishment, Raynor is a council estate girl with a back story alien to the accepted establishment. On the estate where she is from it will be perfectly acceptable to call the Tories scum, as it is perfectly acceptable for Johnson to use the language he does in the establishment circles he moves in. Sally Tomlinson who co-authored the book Rule Brittania with Danny Dorling studied the literature Johnson was taught at Eton and the language he uses reflected the education he received. Raynor went to a second rate Stockport comprehensive and and the language she uses reflects her education.

So it does indeed reflect her character and shows she is real, it shows she lives in the same world as many people who also did not go to Eton and learn about piccanninies with watermelon smiles.
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I accept all that doesn't make it prudent though.
 
Reeves saying all the right things in her speech.

Very reminiscent of the promises given that won in 97 but never materialised.
 
I have been prepared to cut the guy some slack but this shit show we are in right now should have been manna from heaven for an opposition leader - instead he writes a fucking 14k long love letter to himself in which Brexit gets mentioned what? Four times?
 
Rascal said:
do you think she should lie?
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How many times are you going to ask that? Nobody has said she cannot criticise, she needs to articulate it in a more responsible way than she has and in a way befitting her position.

As one of her constituents I was embarrassed to hear the words she chose. I just don’t think she has the intelligence to debate in a parliamentary manner. It’s not the first time she has used words like this and, oddly, she called for better standards from MPs.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
The average football fan does it all the time. But football fans aren’t a figurehead at a club.

Pep doesn’t come out in his interviews and call Solksjaer and Klopp “scum” does he? If he did I’d think he was a classless fucker who needs to grow the fuck up. But Pep is a professional and has got a lot of class about him. Talking like that is beneath Pep.

Raynor has shown she’s not a professional and she’s got no class about her. She's supposed to be a figurehead at a major politcal party but has slurred this shit out like your average pissed up footy fan in the pub on derby day. As soon as she said it i immediately thought "no wonder people don't vote for Labour". If this language is not beneath someone of her stature it says a lot about her.

Leave that shit to the overexcitable student Labour voters who talk like this all the time.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I could give two shits if the proposed leader for a party spoke like they were from the mines as long as the policies they wanted for their people were absolutely the correct ones.

Unlike those clutching their collective pearls, I've had enough of politicians with plums in their mouths lying at every opportunity. We've had left winged politicians who didn't speak like yer mate next door only to be deemed 'not good enough' despite the right policies.

Oo look, he wears his tie crooked! Who gives a fuck? The gullible who want 'higher standards' preferring empty suits like Johnson and Starmer!
 
hilts said:
Gobby says Tory scum her words, media report it, media give interview where she explains her Rick from the young ones stance, posters of a certain persuasion deflect and use whataboutery. You bizarrely waffle the media don't show both sides which is the exact opposite of what happened here.

The only thing achieved here is she looks like a child. Posters confirm they treat politics like football and are incapable of rational debate and we are all subjected to another bizarre rant from you.

If we want rid of the tories even people like Rayner need to engage their brains more. This country ain't changing anytime soon and neither is the media.
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You don't half tickle me! "Bizarre rant"? LOL!!

You do EXACTLY what I say you and others like you do, so much so I could almost set my watch by it! You've made another (yet another) straw man argument out of what was said.

I never said the media don't show both sides (they're complicit in that anyway). What I said was I show the opposing view of what the MSM show you as a public. I will always balance it out. So, you're talking bollocks.

Wait... Is it the "I couldn't be bothered to read" trope you were aiming for...?
 
manchester blue said:
How many times are you going to ask that? Nobody has said she cannot criticise, she needs to articulate it in a more responsible way than she has and in a way befitting her position.

As one of her constituents I was embarrassed to hear the words she chose. I just don’t think she has the intelligence to debate in a parliamentary manner. It’s not the first time she has used words like this and, oddly, she called for better standards from MPs.
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You do realise you arguing for the standards of the Public school elite and against a working class woman. How patronising are you in questioning her intelligence.

How pathetic this country is when we kowtow to the likes of Johnson and the rest of the upper class cunts who run this country. Angela was right, they are scum, they wanted to starve working class kids, that is what scum do.
 
Bigga said:
You don't half tickle me! "Bizarre rant"? LOL!!

You do EXACTLY what I say you and others like you do, so much so I could almost set my watch by it! You've made another (yet another) straw man argument out of what was said.

I never said the media don't show both sides (they're complicit in that anyway). What I said was I show the opposing view of what the MSM show you as a public. I will always balance it out. So, you're talking bollocks.

Wait... Is it the "I couldn't be bothered to read" trope you were aiming for...?
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You balance? You do make me giggle
 
Red Tory or blue Tory? Blue Tory propped up by Yellow Tory if they need them.

What a sad indictment of what's on offer the electorate.

Keith lieing to his own MPs and wanting a party that acts like Biden and his democrat party of saying the right things and doing fuck all to back them up.

FML.
 
mat said:
Red Tory or blue Tory? Blue Tory propped up by Yellow Tory if they need them.

What a sad indictment of what's on offer the electorate.

Keith lieing to his own MPs and wanting a party that acts like Biden and his democrat party of saying the right things and doing fuck all to back them up.

FML.
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They just don't get it, do they??!!
 
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