Keir Starmer

The perfect fumble said:
What a snake! To support Plan B is patriotic is it? So clearly to oppose the plan must be unpatriotic! What the fuck is he on about? One might hold any number of opinions about Plan B, but none of them have anything to do with love of country.

Beware people who label acquiescence patriotic and dissent unpatriotic, they're always up to no good.
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Trident has nothing to do with love of country. Nor do the Tories.

But stopping British people dying from disease sounds fairly patriotic.
 
Vic said:
Starmer had a Union Jack next to him. Only one though.
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Needs to go for three (maybe a little sandcastle one on his desk).

Came across as very wooden again needs to stop the robotic dispassionate barrister style and talk to people like he would as if they were in same room as him.

He isn't as wooden as this during PMQs.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
He's not going to win votes agreeing with Boris on the things people don't actually like.
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I don't think it is about winning votes, he is presenting himself as the competent alternative.

Let Boris take the flack for his cocks ups, from easing things like masks in public to the unfeasible plan to boost back better in under three weeks.
 
If Labour to oppose this it would not go through. So voting for extra deaths. The ERG ultras and some new intake simpletons really wouldn't care. And neither would Johnson, but he would have someone else to blame, he would be the good guy.
Nice if Labour and the rest can push for more to try to flatten the curve, and they should be very public about asking for them, the reality is Johnson holds the ace and would happily trigger a political trap not caring if the bodies pile high in the streets
 
bluemoon32 said:
If Labour to oppose this it would not go through. So voting for extra deaths. The ERG ultras and some new intake simpletons really wouldn't care. And neither would Johnson, but he would have someone else to blame, he would be the good guy.
Nice if Labour and the rest can push for more to try to flatten the curve, and they should be very public about asking for them, the reality is Johnson holds the ace and would happily trigger a political trap not caring if the bodies pile high in the streets
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Labour have done the right thing and were the ones who were shouting for extra measures like mandatory face masks and testing prior to entering the country. How anybody could think that they should go against the vote after they wanted extra measures is beyond me.

Instead of trying to take a snipe at Starmer and the party, the eye should be firmly on those Tories who have said they will vote against. These individuals are not in it for public safety, or for the sake of our economy, they are in it for themselves and their lobbying friends, nothing more.
 
Vic said:
stopping British people dying from disease sounds fairly patriotic.
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It was said of Thatcher, and I believe it to be true of most Tories, that she loved this country but hated the people in it. Whatever Johnson is doing on the pandemic and whatever the rights and wrongs of Plan B are, none of it, in the slightest, is motivated by patriotism.

Other countries are doing things differently, do their leaders not love their country?

When politicians start spouting patriotism they're up to no good, especially if they make it about them, Starmer made it about himself, "a Labour Party I lead".

The guy is a scoundrel.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
It was said of Thatcher, and I believe it to be true of most Tories, that she loved this country but hated the people in it. Whatever Johnson is doing on the pandemic and whatever the rights and wrongs of Plan B are, none of it, in the slightest, is motivated by patriotism.

Other countries are doing things differently, do their leaders not love their country?

When politicians start spouting patriotism they're up to no good, especially if they make it about them, Starmer made it about himself, "a Labour Party I lead".

The guy is a scoundrel.
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That's rather silly.
 
Vic said:
That's rather silly.
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The perfect fumble said:
It was said of Thatcher, and I believe it to be true of most Tories, that she loved this country but hated the people in it. Whatever Johnson is doing on the pandemic and whatever the rights and wrongs of Plan B are, none of it, in the slightest, is motivated by patriotism.

Other countries are doing things differently, do their leaders not love their country?

When politicians start spouting patriotism they're up to no good, especially if they make it about them, Starmer made it about himself, "a Labour Party I lead".

The guy is a scoundrel.
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Are you suggesting that Starmer is the same as Margret or using the Labour party for his own Thatcherite means?

You seem angry that Labour are doing so well. Seeing Starmer and the Labour Party bumping themselves up can only be seen as a positive as it holds the incumbents to account yet you want to condemn them for trying to do right. I just don’t get it?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Are you suggesting that Starmer is the same as Margret or using the Labour party for his own Thatcherite means?

You seem angry that Labour are doing so well. Seeing Starmer and the Labour Party bumping themselves up can only be seen as a positive as it holds the incumbents to account yet you want to condemn them for trying to do right. I just don’t get it?
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I think you do.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Are you suggesting that Starmer is the same as Margret or using the Labour party for his own Thatcherite means?

You seem angry that Labour are doing so well. Seeing Starmer and the Labour Party bumping themselves up can only be seen as a positive as it holds the incumbents to account yet you want to condemn them for trying to do right. I just don’t get it?
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Don't mean offence, but it's really easy to get

A number of posters simply hate the idea of Labour becoming electable by moving more to the centre ground

They hanker for 'true socialism' and consider anything that resembles the centre ground as a form of 'soft Tory'.

The fact that, to get elected, it is necessary for a party to reflect the views of the majority of the electorate rather than the minority of those living in the past is lost on them.

They have been in the wilderness for decades and fear that Starmer moving to the centre ground to make Labour electable condemns them to more decades of the same.

Starmer can afford to ignore them - they will likely mostly vote Labour anyway and the minority that won't are insufficient to really matter
 
Quick crib note for Kier to open the next PMQ's

Mr Speaker we are in the midst of a pandemic that has a £37bn test and trace system at its heart which has failed. We have a government plan that depends on people doing tests that are unavailable and the pandemic has cost the PM his special adviser and one Secretary of State for Health. We are still incurring the highest infection rates ever and the NHS is described as stretched to breaking point.
His oven ready Brexit deal has chewed up and spat out several Brexit Secretaries and we still have no trade deal with the EU. Despite claims Brexit is far from done.
Further more Mr Speaker constituents face higher bills for food and fuel with the poorest in society the hardest hit - something those in the new blue wall seats with small majorities will be very aware of. Then there are the NI and tax rises about to come that will make this Government the highest taxing Govt on record.
So my question Mr Speaker is this - quite simply - without the waffle the shouting and the arm waving what is the PM's plan to fix all this in 2022.
 
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