Keir Starmer

[bluenova]

Don't think this seems anywhere near as egregious as some of the flagrant rule breaking that happened at Downing St and committed by the people that actually made rules.

That said, if he has broken the rules and been dishonest about it, he will have to go and I for one will be thrilled to see the back him and hopefully see someone come in who dares to come up with some actual policies.

There's obvs some tit for tat at play from the Tories but if it does result in Starmer having to resign I think they will have shot themselves in the foot. If someone like Burnham was to take the reigns at this point they'd be up against someone who has a genuine shot at uniting the labour party and someone who people in the North can vaguely relate to at get behind. Meanwhile the prime minister's position will be even more untenable if leader of the opposition has stepped down for much less than what the PM has done.

The PM is really lucky that it was the cake that got him his first FPN. Even though that's clearly people gathering specifically for a social reason, the fact it was so short, and people like Rishi Sunak were fined when they were there early for a meeting, it's a pretty low bar.

It sounds likely that Boris will get multiple other FPNs, some potentially for events in his home with Carrie, which are much more serious breaches. If he'd got those more quickly, then the Starmer story would look more obviously like the clutching of straws that it undoubtedly is.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The Labour party have a bit of a conundrum to navigate in as much as they have to get to a stage where they are electable, but they have to find a way to find peace within the party to do that.

I fear the only way to get elected would be to hit the Tory light sweet spot and that really wouldn't be a choice that the electorate deserve, at the minute they seem to be an opposition party in perpetuity.

They really don’t. They just need to not break the rules and have good policies on their election manifesto.

The Tories have reached the stage in their ruling where they are imploding from within.

Couple that with how bad this winter is going to be for millions of people and the political landscape may be very different at this point next year.

 

[Mon Autre]

The Labour party have a bit of a conundrum to navigate in as much as they have to get to a stage where they are electable, but they have to find a way to find peace within the party to do that.

I fear the only way to get elected would be to hit the Tory light sweet spot and that really wouldn't be a choice that the electorate deserve, at the minute they seem to be an opposition party in perpetuity.

Yeah, like the one glimmer of hope I have is that due to shameless levels of pisstaking we've seen from energy companies, train companies and the levels of corruption prevalent in the Tory party, some people might be ready to have the conversation on how we bring this under control now. Think people might be ready to get behind ideas that they once might have dismissed socialist six-former type politics in the past. Provided labour have a leader who present those ideas in a slick way

 

[Zuriblue]

Unfortunately not a surprise

 

[bluethrunthru]

The PM is really lucky that it was the cake that got him his first FPN. Even though that's clearly people gathering specifically for a social reason, the fact it was so short, and people like Rishi Sunak were fined when they were there early for a meeting, it's a pretty low bar.

It wasn't the cake that got him the FPN - it was the illegal gathering you are falling for the Mail spin I am afraid. If it was the cake that deserved an FPN why did 49 others get one? "being in the presence of a cake?" As the gathering was deemed an illegal birthday party then you then have to ask why was Sunak down to attend a meeting early....... because he was invited to turn up early as they were giving Johnson a cake? Most likely reason. And where the concept of Johnsons excuse " they were about to start an important Covid strategy Cabinet meeting " falls flat on its face is also in attendance were his wife and his wifes decorator....unless we all missed the memo about both being seconded to the cabinet

 

[urban genie]

Unfortunately not a surprise

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Trust me hard left wingers despise tories, not one genuine one would help them ever.

Thoigh they would try to stich up starmer, it woupdn't be to help the tories

Incidently you did get cetrist labour supporters even famous ones, your eddie marsans and tony robinsons along with ex MPs openly saying don't vote labour in 2019

 

[Daz-Simp]

It wasn't the cake that got him the FPN - it was the illegal gathering you are falling for the Mail spin I am afraid. If it was the cake that deserved an FPN why did 49 others get one? "being in the presence of a cake?" As the gathering was deemed an illegal birthday party then you then have to ask why was Sunak down to attend a meeting early....... because he was invited to turn up early as they were giving Johnson a cake? Most likely reason. And where the concept of Johnsons excuse " they were about to start an important Covid strategy Cabinet meeting " falls flat on its face is also in attendance were his wife and his wifes decorator....unless we all missed the memo about both being seconded to the cabinet

Well half the Russian government is probably seconded to it already, so why not?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Unfortunately not a surprise

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Is that the Richard Holden MP who at the same lockdown period boasted on FB about having a work related curry himself perchance?

Tory who wants police to probe Starmer's work pizza had work curry in same week

Richard Holden has urged Durham Police to reopen a probe into the Labourleader’s conduct during lockdown last year - but boasted on Facebook about having a work-related curry

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[bluenova]

It wasn't the cake that got him the FPN - it was the illegal gathering you are falling for the Mail spin I am afraid. If it was the cake that deserved an FPN why did 49 others get one? "being in the presence of a cake?" As the gathering was deemed an illegal birthday party then you then have to ask why was Sunak down to attend a meeting early....... because he was invited to turn up early as they were giving Johnson a cake? Most likely reason. And where the concept of Johnsons excuse " they were about to start an important Covid strategy Cabinet meeting " falls flat on its face is also in attendance were his wife and his wifes decorator....unless we all missed the memo about both being seconded to the cabinet

Ok "the cake event". I know why it was illegal, it was just short hand to describe it that way.

All I'm saying is that it's easier to minimise the fines for that when it was so short, and because many of them were there for a meeting ten minutes later.

The point is that it's not the same as the suitcase of booze, or Boris having a dinner party with friends in his flat.

 

[Mon Autre]

Unfortunately not a surprise

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It isn't a secret that that's been going on. And I hardly blame them given he's been purging the party of people even slightly to the left of him. Been very little effort to unite the party on his side and even if they're acting out of spite, if he's broken the rules then that's on him I'm afraid.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Is that the Richard Holden MP who at the same lockdown period boasted on FB about having a work related curry himself perchance?

Tory who wants police to probe Starmer's work pizza had work curry in same week

Richard Holden has urged Durham Police to reopen a probe into the Labourleader’s conduct during lockdown last year - but boasted on Facebook about having a work-related curry

www.mirror.co.uk

Also fined £100 for littering outside a polling centre despite leading a campaign against "litter tossers". Surely he should have resigned after his hypocrisy?

In the words of Frankie Boyle "he has a rapist's face".

 

[BerkshireBlue]

There's a huge difference in having a full on party mid 2020 to having a a buffet lunch in mid 2021. Are people stupid enough to fall fir the tory bullshit

 

[bluethrunthru]

Ok "the cake event". I know why it was illegal, it was just short hand to describe it that way.

All I'm saying is that it's easier to minimise the fines for that when it was so short, and because many of them were there for a meeting ten minutes later.

The point is that it's not the same as the suitcase of booze, or Boris having a dinner party with friends in his flat.

How do we know the meeting started exactly when it is said to have done? Iss there a set of meeting minutes to confirm? This is the problem and the false equivalence - there was an agenda for the Starmer day and he says despite what that may say he did some work after the curry - an agenda is often subject to change etc. Johnson says it was 9 mins and then they had a meeting - Johnson SAYS - says, on this subject an awful lot of what Johnson has said has been proven to be untrue not to say on countless other occasions yet on this one point we are supposed to agree Johnson was telling the truth??

 

[bluenova]

How do we know the meeting started exactly when it is said to have done? Iss there a set of meeting minutes to confirm? This is the problem and the false equivalence - there was an agenda for the Starmer day and he says despite what that may say he did some work after the curry - an agenda is often subject to change etc. Johnson says it was 9 mins and then they had a meeting - Johnson SAYS - says, on this subject an awful lot of what Johnson has said has been proven to be untrue not to say on countless other occasions yet on this one point we are supposed to agree Johnson was telling the truth??

I thought one of the reasons why the Met will be able to pin down so many of these parties is that so much of the movement in Downing Street is recorded with entry passes.

You're still missing my point though - This is an easy event to minimise, and for nearly a month that has defined Boris's lawbreaking. Once the Met completes everything, and there are fines for a dozen events, and multiple ones for the PM, including parties in his own home, then Starmer having a curry in the office while he's working away will seem pitiful.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

There's a huge difference in having a full on party mid 2020 to having a a buffet lunch in mid 2021. Are people stupid enough to fall fir the tory bullshit

They've been falling for it for nearly 12 years, so yes, yes they are.

 

[redpedred]

I was driving home from the car boot sale earlier and Diane Abbott was on the radio saying that if Keir Starmer got a fine, he should 'consider his position'. I don't understand this, aren't they on the same team?

 

[mackenzie]

I was driving home from the car boot sale earlier and Diane Abbott was on the radio saying that if Keir Starmer got a fine, he should 'consider his position'. I don't understand this, aren't they on the same team?

Different factions within the party.

 

[blueinsa]

I was driving home from the car boot sale earlier and Diane Abbott was on the radio saying that if Keir Starmer got a fine, he should 'consider his position'. I don't understand this, aren't they on the same team?

No way are they on the same team.

 

[redpedred]

No way are they on the same team.

So if they have any intention of winning, should the 'manager' not get the 'players' to.... I don't know... work as a team???

If one looks at what has happened recently, the Labour party should be so far ahead in the polls that the Torys would be making serious plans for a leadership change, but they are not.

Keir Starmer has to take responsibility for this.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I thought one of the reasons why the Met will be able to pin down so many of these parties is that so much of the movement in Downing Street is recorded with entry passes.

You're still missing my point though - This is an easy event to minimise, and for nearly a month that has defined Boris's lawbreaking. Once the Met completes everything, and there are fines for a dozen events, and multiple ones for the PM, including parties in his own home, then Starmer having a curry in the office while he's working away will seem pitiful.

I was in the car and a Tory came on the local BBC station and when pressed about the Starmer event and asked should he resign the line is now " its a personal decision I don't want to tell others what to do " - a statement which is itself is contradictory to his normal behaviours shows that they have realised if they push that aspect then Johnson is in big trouble BECAUSE of their actions