Well done on entirely missing my point.The Tories will U turn repeatedly on this as more and more people hit crisis point.
Starmer could suggest he’d renationalise all energy companies, but he wouldn’t be able to do that until 2025.
An 80 seat majority means Starmer is powerless to do anything.
No, he has little power of persuasion when opposing with an 80 seat deficit.Well done on entirely missing my point.
So basically you are saying that there is no point discussing the merits of Her Majesty's opposition outside of an election cycle?
Maybe we should just lock the thread but keep it open on a Wednesday after PMQ's so people can clap like demented seals after Keith makes Truss look like the idiot she is and nod along how it was proper PM material?
Who's talking about tubthumping speeches ? I'm talking about serious proposals. Look at what the Lib dems have suggested or what Gordon Brown argued for only yesterday. For me neither of them go far enough (ideologically pure and all that:)) but they are light years ahead of today's 'intervention '.No, he has little power of persuasion when opposing with an 80 seat deficit.
Say today, he came out and made the best speech of his life and the best Labour have had in 15 years. What would the result be? People would agree with him. The Tories would ignore it totally, unless they decided to steal they idea. Again.
Have the LD’s or Brown’s proposals done anything? Is anyone talking about them?Who's talking about tubthumping speeches ? I'm talking about serious proposals. Look at what the Lib dems have suggested or what Gordon Brown argued for only yesterday. For me neither of them far enough but they are light years ahead of today's 'intervention '.
Again these are not 'normal times' so all this 'keeping your cards close to your chest' to achieve power down the line is meaningless.
The 'tedious shite' line was in response to said poster but could easily apply to this.
Dressing something up as a significant 'intervention ' when it amounts to a saving of 18p a day with the providers being reimbursed for their losses at the expense of the taxpayer is the definition of piss weak in my book. Fair enough they are promising more but they are hardly setting a high bar.
Sitting on the fence saying 'fuck all I can do about it' while waiting for the government to self implode could be seen as a reasonable strategy in 'normal times' but we are far from that so it isn't.
In short he is the leader of the opposition so I expect him to oppose and do all he can to push the government to intervene and alleviate the suffering that is on the horizon. IMO the reason he won't go to those lengths isn't because he believes it is futile but that he, or more likely Reeves, believe it is 'fiscally irresponsible '.
Sleepwalking into another Tory majority with these clowns in charge.
In the the context of today yes I absolutely do think recycling a Dawn Butler campaign from 2016 as your opening gambit is the weakest of all the weak piss I've seen all week.What about the plan to insulate millions of homes within 12 months of getting into power - and telling the Tories that they should have been doing it asap, so that as many people can benefit before next winter?
The windfall tax? Surely a huge win in persuading the Tories to tax profits (even if their plan is much weaker)?
The pre-payment idea has clearly been signposted as the first of a series of announcements. It's also a good, symbolic, redistributive idea, that has long been a problem for the poorest in society. I assume reimbursing suppliers makes sense now to avoid them simply putting up everyone else's prices to compensate. As far as I can see, much of the profit being made is coming from the companies who generate energy, rather than the supply to consumers.
So, you have a small but symbolic policy that should be wildly popular with most on the left, and two huge multi-billion pound polices, one of which is massive state intervention to improve people's homes, and the other a massive state intervention to take money from excess profits in the energy industry.
Do you really think that's piss weak?
You’re very good a shooting down anything other than your own view as to what Starmer should do.In the the context of today yes I absolutely do think recycling a Dawn Butler campaign from 2016 as your opening gambit is the weakest of all the weak piss I've seen all week.
In fairness a general trickle of common sense and decency over the next few years will have an effect. A tactic of saying very little until a few months before a general election can lead to false promises.No, he has little power of persuasion when opposing with an 80 seat deficit.
Say today, he came out and made the best speech of his life and the best Labour have had in 15 years. What would the result be? People would agree with him. The Tories would ignore it totally, unless they decided to steal they idea. Again.
Is it side-stepping at the moment though?In fairness a general trickle of common sense and decency over the next few years will have an effect. A tactic of saying very little until a few months before a general election can lead to false promises.
I think most decent folk would certainly prefer a Labour govt even though they won't get my vote but side stepping really important problems can only hinder them.
Parliament has very little to do with this, propaganda can be good or bad. You have to consistently push your message, be the alternative and sell yourself. These are very interesting times don't let people forget the way the govt has let most of us down.Is it side-stepping at the moment though?
What would an emergency Parliament recall do at the moment? Johnson doesn’t give a fuck as he’s off.
I don’t think anything he says can do much practical good at the moment.Parliament has very little to do with this, propaganda can be good or bad. You have to consistently push your message, be the alternative and sell yourself. These are very interesting times don't let people forget the way the govt has let most of us down.
The prize is worth the effort.
People have been campaigning for this a lot longer than Dawn Butler (just googled her twitter and am amazed that she's trying to take credit).In the the context of today yes I absolutely do think recycling a Dawn Butler campaign from 2016 as your opening gambit is the weakest of all the weak piss I've seen all week.
What is the answer to 10 million households being in fuel poverty in 3 months or so?This insistence that silence from him is the right approach is frankly laughable.
His silence isn’t some political master stroke, it’s him frankly having no fucking answers to the ever growing problems.
What is the answer to 10 million households being in fuel poverty in 3 months or so?
Sounds good, now does it work?A windfall tax and a pricing and incomes policy.
What is the answer to 10 million households being in fuel poverty in 3 months or so?
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m trying to work out what he can actually do to help.Political/government intervention.
They can stop it, Labour and Starmer could announce how they would do it if in power which gives us an alternative and puts political pressure on the Tories.
His pennies off the bills of those on pre payment meters idea was as laughable as the 5p off fuel duty we got from the shysters in charge.
They all pretend to care. They are all consistent in that they will never rock the boat and actually effect real change.
Starmer right now is fucking hopeless as the leader of the official opposition because he is not putting any sort of political pressure on the Tories to change.
Sounds good, now does it work?