Keir Starmer

mat said:
www.thelondoneconomic.com

Reactions as Sir Keir moves to reset his leadership with pledge to be "unashamedly pro business"

The London Economic - Liam Young said the phrase is usually rolled out by anyone in Labour "when they have run out of ideas" - Politics
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Fucking try it Keith. I dare you...
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Would suggest something different is in order
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Exclusive poll: Brits would rather Johnson lead pandemic than Starmer

EXCLUSIVE: The Ipsos MORI research found the Conservatives have pulled ahead of Labour by four points amid overwhelming public acclaim for the vaccine rollout
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ganganvince said:
Would suggest something different is in order
www.standard.co.uk

Exclusive poll: Brits would rather Johnson lead pandemic than Starmer

EXCLUSIVE: The Ipsos MORI research found the Conservatives have pulled ahead of Labour by four points amid overwhelming public acclaim for the vaccine rollout
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Worrying for labour. I've long thought Starmer might be caught napping with an early GE when he thinks he's got 4 years to turn things around. If Boris somehow gets to the Autumn with the vaccine returning some normality and even strong economic growth I think he might just decide to go for it while Labour and the SNP even (depending on the Salmond thing)are in disarray. Can't see him getting an 80 seat majority again, but possibly a workable one with tory govt then guaranteed for a further 5 years (end of 2026). The tories have a record of using national votes to settle internal disputes and consolidate (cling to) power.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Worrying for labour. I've long thought Starmer might be caught napping with an early GE when he thinks he's got 4 years to turn things around. If Boris somehow gets to the Autumn with the vaccine returning some normality and even strong economic growth I think he might just decide to go for it while Labour and the SNP even (depending on the Salmond thing)are in disarray. Can't see him getting an 80 seat majority again, but possibly a workable one with tory govt then guaranteed for a further 5 years (end of 2026). The tories have a record of using national votes to settle internal disputes and consolidate (cling to) power.
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He'd need Labour to back a snap-election and they surely wouldn't do that again, least of all as he might be riding a wave of vaccine triumphalism.
 
mat said:
www.thelondoneconomic.com

Reactions as Sir Keir moves to reset his leadership with pledge to be "unashamedly pro business"

The London Economic - Liam Young said the phrase is usually rolled out by anyone in Labour "when they have run out of ideas" - Politics
www.thelondoneconomic.com www.thelondoneconomic.com

Fucking try it Keith. I dare you...
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Unashamedly doing as his financial backers want.

The amount of negative chatter about him is on the increase, if Labour do badly in the upcoming council elections i think he is toast.
 
Like it or not, people vote for the leader and not the party. In 2019 you had the affable, blustering but essentially positive and optimistic in rhetoric Johnson vs the tetchy, permanently annoyed Corbyn with his commie hat. And unsurprisingly people preferred the former to the latter. But it's the exact same reason so many voted for Blair over Major, or Cameron over Brown. Nothing is permanent in politics, once a seat goes red / blue it doesn't stay that way forever (obviously some do but they're largely irrelevant and haven't switched for 100+ years).

By 2024, Starmer may be seen as bland and a bit boring, but he is likely to be up against one of the following;

Boris Johnson, but a much diminished one on the defensive and without the grounds for optimism he could call on in 2019
Michael Gove, who seems to be someone who inspires little passion in his favour but a lot against, and is also a bit weird
Dominic Raab, who comes over as even more boring than Starmer but much less effective at doing stuff
Rishi Sunak, the only one who could pose a real threat but then there's the whole "BAME" factor which may find many Tory voters trying to justify not voting for him

People thought boring old Joe Biden couldn't beat the flashy Trump, but he did. Yes the pandemic helped (events, dear boy) but ultimately what people wanted in America (and I think also do in this country) is boring politics for a while. I think people are more likely to go for a boring but capable guy right now than they have been for decades.
 
Zuriblue said:
Like it or not, people vote for the leader and not the party. In 2019 you had the affable, blustering but essentially positive and optimistic in rhetoric Johnson vs the tetchy, permanently annoyed Corbyn with his commie hat. And unsurprisingly people preferred the former to the latter. But it's the exact same reason so many voted for Blair over Major, or Cameron over Brown. Nothing is permanent in politics, once a seat goes red / blue it doesn't stay that way forever (obviously some do but they're largely irrelevant and haven't switched for 100+ years).

By 2024, Starmer may be seen as bland and a bit boring, but he is likely to be up against one of the following;

Boris Johnson, but a much diminished one on the defensive and without the grounds for optimism he could call on in 2019
Michael Gove, who seems to be someone who inspires little passion in his favour but a lot against, and is also a bit weird
Dominic Raab, who comes over as even more boring than Starmer but much less effective at doing stuff
Rishi Sunak, the only one who could pose a real threat but then there's the whole "BAME" factor which may find many Tory voters trying to justify not voting for him

People thought boring old Joe Biden couldn't beat the flashy Trump, but he did. Yes the pandemic helped (events, dear boy) but ultimately what people wanted in America (and I think also do in this country) is boring politics for a while. I think people are more likely to go for a boring but capable guy right now than they have been for decades.
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Interesting, but I disagree. Starmer, at present, is viewed as someone
who is not short of the ability to criticise, but very reluctant to offer up
any alternatives. Even after the year we've had, the Tories have recently increased their lead over Labour by another 3 points, this is unprecedented
and looks very bad for Labour. What people are tending to overlook is that Starmer was led by the nose by Corbyn, he went along with what was anathema to most voters, he went along with the in, out shake it all about
nonsensical Brexit policy. He was and still is fervently pro EU. He also attempted to prosecute dozens of journalists, an outrageous stunt that saw each and every attempt fail, with all acquitted. People remember all this, Johnson and the Tories have no need whatsoever to attack him now, but the nearer an election looms, believe me they will, they're ruthless, and very good at it.
I think once again, they've chosen the wrong man, the moon and stars better than the previous one for sure,, but still the wrong 'Type.'
Many on the left hate hearing this, but to win middle England, which is essential to winning elections, they need another Blair.
 
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