Mr Kobayashi
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I was hoping you could summarise or provide his references.
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I was hoping you could summarise or provide his references.
Well the back of the book states it is the most comprehensive account of the Blair government and even has more Iraq War detail than the Chilcot Inquiry - not written by the author I should add.
His accounts are from Cabinet and non-Cabinet Ministers, aides, journalists at the time who had connections, Civil Servants, friends, family, you name it.
The three things at the start of the book that are startling is that they definitely took a bribe from Eccleston for the F1, the NHS they didn’t have a clue how to manage and just threw money at it and the biggest one, they banned the word ‘immigration’ from Cabinet meetings and Straw and Blair both had the ideologically driven policy of radically changing Britain to become a truly international island, they wanted multicultural and then some, only they didn’t consult the public or put that in their manifesto.
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Don’t take this the wrong way, it's not intended to be insulting or snide, but is it possible your memory is patchy and unreliable after 5 or 6 years?
Former colleagues of mine often remarked on my recall ability, but I wouldn't expect to recall watching a TV interview of a politician very well that long after the event.We have rightwing newspapers that have an obsessional interest in immigration.
If he did say what you believe he did, surely one of their journos would have picked it up (even as a minor story)?
Or is it more likely Corbyn said some bland and banal things in praise of "the contribution of immigrants"?
People living longer would be one, migration watch still only estimated 80% of population growth not all.
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My memory is awful, my English poor i get butchered on these Politics threads, and it may be Corbyn was not changing a Labour stance, but he did say it, and i was gutted which is why it stuck
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Thank you for summarising.
There are some big claims from the author though aren't there. If the plan was to transform Britain into a multicultural society, why not try to influence migration to less culturally diverse places? Most of the non-White/non EU immigration was just into places who already had immigrant populations.
One of the sources so often quoted disputes ever saying there was a grand plan based on multiculturalism.
Former Labour adviser denies immigration plot to undermine right
Andrew Neather says remarks over Nick Griffin TV appearance, raised by Tories in Commons, were twisted out of all recognition
theguardian.com
Because, despite the general premise that they were a highly organised and effective government, they were all over the place once the “cool brittania” party and honeymoon had finished. The plan wasn’t actioned as well as it could be.Thank you for summarising.
There are some big claims from the author though aren't there. If the plan was to transform Britain into a multicultural society, why not try to influence migration to less culturally diverse places? Most of the non-White/non EU immigration was just into places who already had immigrant populations.
One of the sources so often quoted disputes ever saying there was a grand plan based on multiculturalism.
Former Labour adviser denies immigration plot to undermine right
Andrew Neather says remarks over Nick Griffin TV appearance, raised by Tories in Commons, were twisted out of all recognition
What they did specifically do was reduce the hurdles you needed to get through to claim asylum in the UK, there were a very large number of people, under New Labour, who came when the restrictions were lowered, who were economic migrants. It was definitely pre planned and they knew they were doing it. Bower’s book doesn’t claim to know how many in total but inside New Labour there were many voices of concern of this policy and the breakdown of trust towards asylum seekers from the public.
It’s important to note that Bower is an author that is a critique of individuals, it’s what he does, however the amount of quotes and sources cited is astonishing. He details conversations between Blair and Straw, as well as Brown and Blair because his sources include Cabinet Members.
Bower was a Blairite, he voted for him 3 times and he said it was one of his most difficult writings, as he loved Blair at the time.
He’s just written one on Johnson last year, called “the gambler”, I am going to read that soon, once I have finished what I want to in the Bible.
To offer some balance against my heavy criticisms of New Labour’s immigration policy, I happen to have admiration for how they managed the economy, before the financial crash, which wasn’t their fault obviously. That approach of private market with strong public sector and significant safety net for those that need it is my economic vision for the country.
I just cannot stand the immigration and liberal social policy.
Will leave Iraq out of it for now as we’ll be here all month.
Rascal
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If he had of said that it would have been all over the RW media and there is simply no evidence of him or anyone in the Labour party ever saying that.
I have spent hours scouring the internet for evidence of this and there is nothing.
That you have linked it with one of Migration Watch's supposed academic studies makes me think you have been duped into believing something that simply never ever happened.
What's a lie? That Brits don't like warehouse work shifts that start at 6 a.m., or like picking fruit in cold fields or packing food in cold processing plants? There's a huge skills shortage, and Brits won't study the STEM subjects.
Looking through the posts today, I knew what to look for:
It ain't ignorance that causes all the trouble in this world. It's the things people know that ain't so. - Edwin Armstrong
Rascal
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This is a continuation of a theme developed in the book Britannia Unchained.
The authors of that book were Conservative MPs
Priti Patel
Liz Truss
Kwasi Kwarteng
Chris Skidmore
Dominic Raab
It is a RW libertarian tract that excoriated the UK’s “bloated state, high taxes and excessive regulation” and, most memorably, derided British workers as “among the worst idlers in the world” (“We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music.”) The UK, it declared, should “stop indulging in irrelevant debates about sharing the pie between manufacturing and services, the north and the south, women and men”
It urged the UK post Brexit to become a Tiger economy akin to Singapore and its an advocate for what could be described as End Game Thatcherism in that it has an absolute belief in the freedom of markets to deliver.
Its Randianism on crack cocaine.
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One of Britain`s biggest Warehouses Amazon does not have a problem getting Brits to work the 6am shift, it has a problem keeping them, hence it`s TV advertisement on job satisfaction, it is also a big investor of the micro chip that will make all these jobs redundant, Farmers struggling for crop pickers is farmers refusing to invest in technology and picking the cheap lower than the minimum wage worker option.
there was a skill shortage, decades ago we brought doctors in from mainly India and ended up with kabab shop on every corner, we still have a doctor shortage but now have a nurse shortage as well, where is your local student nurse accommodation?