Keir Starmer

Brought an NHS policy to the fore but nothing said?

Must have been talking sense then, or at least must be seen as trying to right the ship.

He’ll have to watch it though, those pesky Tories may steal Labours ideas again and Poundshop them to great applause from those who will see it as a win, politically for them but not those who actually need the service.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Brought an NHS policy to the fore but nothing said?

Must have been talking sense then, or at least must be seen as trying to right the ship.

He’ll have to watch it though, those pesky Tories may steal Labours ideas again and Poundshop them to great applause from those who will see it as a win, politically for them but not those who actually need the service.
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He's promised a lot but didn't say the usual "We have costed it" line.
 
TinFoilHat said:
I admit I only the saw the Sky News report on it. I cannot recall them mentioning the non-doms will pay.
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It was on LBC this morning (on the way to work) and even Ferrari (name is a serious contradiction) found it hard to question it apart from saying ‘This 3 billion is going a long way’, basically trying to debunk it with whataboutery.
 
Can I also say that Labour aren’t just plucking these things out of the air to state these policies, they are actually undertaking proper research and sitting down with all elements that deliver these services.

I‘m expecting more to come from Labour and glad to see somebody taking these issues seriously.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
It was on LBC this morning (on the way to work) and even Ferrari (name is a serious contradiction) found it hard to question it apart from saying ‘This 3 billion is going a long way’, basically trying to debunk it with whataboutery.
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Labour saying they will improve public services with money from non doms, bankers bonuses, the famous book of tax loop holes and the rich(last time I believe the rich were those earning just above an MP huge slice of luck there) is nothing new.

These aren't carefully thought out policies but a mere repetition. I expect the Tories to return to magic money trees and its all about the economy stoopid before long.

Fortunately for Labour the current Tories have managed to fuck up hugely on pretty much everything they have touched.
 
I watched Rep Tim Scott state his case to become President of the USA yesterday. He said a great line.

"Together we can turn this country from being victims to victorious"


That's the kind of leadership I want to see. A politician and his party offering optimism over going back in time to nostalgic era which is often very far from how they remember it.
 
hilts said:
Labour saying they will improve public services with money from non doms, bankers bonuses, the famous book of tax loop holes and the rich(last time I believe the rich were those earning just above an MP huge slice of luck there) is nothing new.

These aren't carefully thought out policies but a mere repetition. I expect the Tories to return to magic money trees and its all about the economy stoopid before long.

Fortunately for Labour the current Tories have managed to fuck up hugely on pretty much everything they have touched.
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I’m not sure the Tories have anywhere left to go. They’ve syphoned off as much as they could leaving them in a position where they can’t keep the country afloat.

Suppose it’s time to dump the country and start thinking of getting those 10 minute talks with their lobbyists which pay huge sums. Good gig if you know where the money has been squirrelled.

Meanwhile, the incoming party will be left with an absolute shambles which the like of the Mail can blame them for. And some thick twats will actually believe.
 
Our politics is in such a bad state at the moment, a Tory party mired in sleaze and incompetence, a Labour party with a leader who lies as much as Johnson with front bench team with the likes of Reeves and Streeting. What has happened with the Copeland CLP is astonishing, Starmer hates the left more than he hates the Tories, he has even admitted to being a conservative.

We are fucked.
 
Rascal said:
Our politics is in such a bad state at the moment, a Tory party mired in sleaze and incompetence, a Labour party with a leader who lies as much as Johnson with front bench team with the likes of Reeves and Streeting. What has happened with the Copeland CLP is astonishing, Starmer hates the left more than he hates the Tories, he has even admitted to being a conservative.

We are fucked.
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When it comes to politics, we all have a choice. For this turn of the wheel, Labour will get my vote and the likes of Starmer, Rayner and Cooper will have 5 years to prove that they deserve my vote again.

On a similar matter, it’s interesting how early Labour are coming out with coherent policies. His statement on the NHS was quite ballsy, he now needs to prove his budgeting for me to believe he is the real deal.

As for lies, politicians change their mind all the time and as long as it is still for the benefit of many, then I’ll take it.
 
Rascal said:
Our politics is in such a bad state at the moment, a Tory party mired in sleaze and incompetence, a Labour party with a leader who lies as much as Johnson with front bench team with the likes of Reeves and Streeting. What has happened with the Copeland CLP is astonishing, Starmer hates the left more than he hates the Tories, he has even admitted to being a conservative.

We are fucked.
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I wonder who will get parachuted into Copeland.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
When it comes to politics, we all have a choice.
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When that choice is voting for shit or shittier, it's not really a choice. When that choice is voting for a right wing party or a further right wing party, it's not really a choice. When that choice is voting for a party whose MP's have been funded by private healthcare companies or voting for a party whose MP's have been funded by private healthcare companies you don't really have a choice. When that choice is voting for a party who does not support trade unions or a party that does not support trade unions you don't really have a choice. When that choice is voting for a party that does not support renationalisation of vital infrastructure or a party that does not support renationalisation of vital infrastructure you don't really have a choice.

For an old Democratic Socialist like me, there is no choice between the two major parties, the Lib Dem's are everything I despise, the Greens do not stand in my constituency and I have never felt so disenfranchised.
 
Rascal said:
When that choice is voting for shit or shittier, it's not really a choice. When that choice is voting for a right wing party or a further right wing party, it's not really a choice. When that choice is voting for a party whose MP's have been funded by private healthcare companies or voting for a party whose MP's have been funded by private healthcare companies you don't really have a choice. When that choice is voting for a party who does not support trade unions or a party that does not support trade unions you don't really have a choice. When that choice is voting for a party that does not support renationalisation of vital infrastructure or a party that does not support renationalisation of vital infrastructure you don't really have a choice.

For an old Democratic Socialist like me, there is no choice between the two major parties, the Lib Dem's are everything I despise, the Greens do not stand in my constituency and I have never felt so disenfranchised.
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I’ll stop at your first sentence. In this day there is no right or left, there is only those who want to take and those who at least want to earn their corn, or is it quorn?

Your choice, whether you want to make it or not, is if you want a better living now or for the near future. Sticking with the same then you get fucked. Deciding to change then you will probably be less fucked. Sticking with ideology and then you don’t do anything for yourself or anybody in the future.

We all have choices and whether it’s Green, Lib Dem’s, MRLP, it all has influence and maybe one day leads to the utopia that you wish to see. Personally, I’ll look at where we are and work out the probability of where we will be, and the Tories aren’t what I want to see for either the near, middle or distant future.
 
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