Keir Starmer

[Mr Kobayashi]

The Guardian is not worth reading. They are liberal, pro-Blairite to the core and they as much as anybody caused Johnson.

You are Pro-EU and I know nothing will change that, my thoughts are Osborne did the Labour party over like a kipper, he was very clever, bordering on genius because it split the Labour party and united the Tory party. That has created a Tory hegemony and it will remain a hegemony as long as people oppose BREXIT before they oppose the Tories. If the Labour right totally dominate the party and that is the way it is heading, Labour will possibly become the party of rejoin and then the Tories will be in power for generations.

Have you looked at Professor Danny Dorlings explanation of the Brexit vote btw? If not have a look, it is eye opening and it shows how wrong the Guardian have been.

This one?



People voted for the apparent anti-establishment offer that will only further inequality and the richest's income as percentage of GDP.

 

[Rascal]

Thats the guy, but i have seen other stuff of his.

It is worth looking on you tube for him. He is brilliant.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Brexit is everywhere.

Empty shelves. By-election results. Johnsonian lies.

I'm not going to confine Brexit to the thread that Brexiters avoid.

And is it my imagination, or like Brexiters have given up trying to defend Brexit, have Tories given up trying to defend this government? Or (like the BBC yesterday) is the agenda now just talking about the problems of opposition?

No one needs to 'defend brexit' any more than we need to defend our coast from Vikings. They are both battles that are over. You have a thread for your bitter musings and as you can see no one besides a few obsessives are interested. Everyone else has moved on Vic.

 

[Vic]

This one?



People voted for the apparent anti-establishment offer that will only further inequality and the richest's income as percentage of GDP.

I doubt both his statistical research and his conclusions. The former seems at odds with Ashcroft's extensive polling, and the idea that the middle class rebelled against inequality seems frankly bizarre.

 

[Vic]

No one needs to 'defend brexit' any more than we need to defend our coast from Vikings. They are both battles that are over. You have a thread for your bitter musings and as you can see no one besides a few obsessives are interested. Everyone else has moved on Vic.

You seem interested. Or just wumming.

"I am not going to defend Brexit, as there is no need, as we have moved on to just moaning about the shortages in the shops which are totally unrelated to Brexit." Oh yeah, sure.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I doubt both his statistical research and his conclusions. The former seems at odds with Ashcroft's extensive polling, and the idea that the middle class rebelled against inequality seems frankly bizarre.

That’s a simplistic reading of his argument. The majority of the both Yes and No were middle class. They didn't vote explicitly to get rid of inequality but because of the causes of it.

People voting against immigrants because they had been lied to about the reasons for their poorer pay and working conditions, or the difficulty of their children being able to move out and get their own place for a reasonable proportion of their salary. Pales into comparison when compared with families living in cramped unsuitable temporary accommodation, but it is still an important motivation towards "let's try something new".

They still feel the effects of living in the most neo-liberal country in the continent even if they don't recognise the true cause. How do the rich get a bigger slice of the pie? They squeeze out the lower middle and middle-middle class into taking a smaller share than their predecessors.

 

[Vic]

That’s a simplistic reading of his argument. The majority of the both Yes and No were middle class. They didn't vote explicitly to get rid of inequality but because of the causes of it.
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All that means is that the middle class are so defined that they outnumber upper and lower classes.

Ashcroft's research had support for Brexit increasing with age, and decreasing with wealth (or at least with social clsss) and with education (hence the denigration of "experts").

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You seem interested. Or just wumming.

"I am not going to defend Brexit, as there is no need, as we have moved on to just moaning about the shortages in the shops which are totally unrelated to Brexit." Oh yeah, sure.

Ffs, another one that thinks anything but their own noise is 'wumming' . You wum yourself mate, no need for anyone to help. Frustrated perhaps that no one can be arsed fighting with you about 'brexit' in its own thread you seem to need to hijack this one - 'wumming' even, to try to create online the enemy in your head. We get it Vic. Brexit' is a bit shit and you always thought so. Is it too much to ask that you contain your feelings within the EU thread and let this be about the current Labour leader?

 

[Vic]

Ffs, another one that thinks anything but their own noise is 'wumming' . You wum yourself mate, no need for anyone to help. Frustrated perhaps that no one can be arsed fighting with you about 'brexit' in its own thread you seem to need to hijack this one - 'wumming' even, to try to create online the enemy in your head. We get it Vic. Brexit' is a bit shit and you always thought so. Is it too much to ask that you contain your feelings within the EU thread and let this be about the current Labour leader?

Not anything, just you.

What better way to be a wum than keep replying to stuff that would otherwise run out of steam.

The issue raised (not by me) was why Starmer doesn't publicly blame Brexit for the problems of Brexit.

Those problems are only just beginning.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Not anything, just you.

What better way to be a wum than keep replying to stuff that would otherwise run out of steam.

The issue raised (not by me) was why Starmer doesn't publicly blame Brexit for the problems of Brexit.

Those problems are only just beginning.

Quite