Keir Starmer

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Good grief. Another poster who reckons Brexit is the fault of the people who didn't want it.

What is this idiocy?

Keep asking yourself and maybe the penny will drop. Brexit thread that way ......

 

[bluethrunthru]

Good grief. Another poster who reckons Brexit is the fault of the people who didn't want it.

What is this idiocy?

such is the role of the WUM/troll in life

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

such is the role of the WUM/troll in life

No my fellow remainer friend. It's not a 'wum' or 'troll', it's someone saying something you don't like on the internet. It doesn't actually change anything apart from your own requirement for wipes.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

No my fellow remainer friend. It's not a 'wum' or 'troll', it's someone saying something you don't like on the internet. It doesn't actually change anything apart from your own requirement for wipes.

 

[NPBlue]

Wilson 1, Johnson 1, perhaps.

You can't ignore the simple fact, and it is irrefutable, the only final we have reached, and won, was achieved under a Labour government, LOL.

 

[journolud]

Yawn - there is a EU/brexit thread for all 5-6 of you to vent. The self-harming mess that is brexit is testament to the failure of the remain campaign to engage with the electorate and score what should have been an open goal. Ultimately the conservative party played a blinder by making their opposition choose between stabbing each other in the back by ousting Corbyn, or stopping brexit and split the vote. Congratulations - you got rid of the Czech spy, IRA / Hamas sympathiser and anti-Semite. Brexit apparently was a price worth paying.......

Over simplifying the issue somewhat

 

[Vic]

Keep asking yourself and maybe the penny will drop. Brexit thread that way ......

Brexit is everywhere.

Empty shelves. By-election results. Johnsonian lies.

I'm not going to confine Brexit to the thread that Brexiters avoid.

And is it my imagination, or like Brexiters have given up trying to defend Brexit, have Tories given up trying to defend this government? Or (like the BBC yesterday) is the agenda now just talking about the problems of opposition?

 

[Rascal]

Good grief. Another poster who reckons Brexit is the fault of the people who didn't want it.

What is this idiocy?

In a way the Brexit we ended up with is the fault of those who did not want Brexit. Trying to stop BREXIT, made the lunatic wing of the BREXIT mob more determined to make it the way it has turned out. I blame the Government for their poor handling of it myself, but they were given a mandate to handle it badly because the stop BREXIT buffoons put stopping BREXIT before stopping the Tories. Of course Labour should have backed the democratic mandate instead of the prevaricating we got from Starmer, but its all history now. The Tories are untouchable.

 

[Vic]

In a way the Brexit we ended up with is the fault of those who did not want Brexit. Trying to stop BREXIT, made the lunatic wing of the BREXIT mob more determined to make it the way it has turned out. I blame the Government for their poor handling of it myself, but they were given a mandate to handle it badly because the stop BREXIT buffoons put stopping BREXIT before stopping the Tories. Of course Labour should have backed the democratic mandate instead of the prevaricating we got from Starmer, but its all history now. The Tories are untouchable.

I didn't start this trawling over what might have been but...

Staying in the EEA would have been the obvious solution, but once May committed to leaving the CU and the SM, it had to be opposed. From "no deal is better than a bad deal" the venal Tories led us to the Frost/Johnson "we haven't a clue" deal.

But "prevaricating from Starmer"? None of it the fault of "7 out of 10" Corbyn?

As for the Tories are untouchable, do I detect a bit of Gallowayesque disappointment about Batley and Spen?

"Had the Tories won, it would have prompted a grim conclusion about the current state of our politics, suggesting that the Conservative party has developed a kind of herd impunity, one that allows them to get away with any and every thing. For them to have gained a seat off the opposition – less than a week after the health secretary was exposed as a florid hypocrite, violating the very rules he had pressed upon everyone else, and a matter of days after the prime minister was re-confirmed as a liar, falsely claiming to have fired that minister when in fact he had shrugged off his misconduct – would have meant that the Conservatives were now fully inoculated against accountability."

(Jonathan Freedland)

Starmer has a little breathing space after Batley and Spen. He must use it wisely | Jonathan Freedland

The byelection victory is a relief, but Labour’s bedrock is breaking across northern England and the Midlands, says the Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rascal]

The Guardian is not worth reading. They are liberal, pro-Blairite to the core and they as much as anybody caused Johnson.

You are Pro-EU and I know nothing will change that, my thoughts are Osborne did the Labour party over like a kipper, he was very clever, bordering on genius because it split the Labour party and united the Tory party. That has created a Tory hegemony and it will remain a hegemony as long as people oppose BREXIT before they oppose the Tories. If the Labour right totally dominate the party and that is the way it is heading, Labour will possibly become the party of rejoin and then the Tories will be in power for generations.

Have you looked at Professor Danny Dorlings explanation of the Brexit vote btw? If not have a look, it is eye opening and it shows how wrong the Guardian have been.