Keir Starmer

[west didsblue]

That's effect not cause.

The electoral college outcome was distorted by the Union bloc vote, which was based on a turnout of just 9% of Union and other affiliated organisations’ members, whereas member and PLP votes were much higher (80%+). This effectively amplified each union member vote by a factor of around 10, and most union members didn’t pay much attention leaving it to the activists on the left.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The electoral college outcome was distorted by the Union bloc vote, which was based on a turnout of just 9% of Union and other affiliated organisations’ members, whereas member and PLP votes were much more higher (80%+). This effectively amplified each union member vote by a factor of around 10, and most union members didn’t pay much attention leaving it to the activists on the left.

You may be right, but this is how the deed was done, it was not why the deed was done.

What is it you want?

 

[west didsblue]

Lol, the wrong brother! 2010 wants it's tired and rejected argument back. New labour had totally lost its credibility by then and if the country wanted another Blair the old one would have hung around longer. Of course Iraq had a bearing, but Blair jumped not because of that but because he was a shrewd enough operator to realise the financial good times were over.

Rejected by those that don’t agree with it.
There’s no way of proving it one way or another. It’s just an opinion but one I happen to hold.

 

[west didsblue]

You may be right, but this is how the deed was done, it was not why the deed was done.

What is it you want?

I want the Labour Party membership, PLP and unions to get over their squabbling and unite behind Starmer or a compromise candidate such as Burnham, and start to provide an effective opposition to the shambolic frauds in power with an eye on winning the next election.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Rejected by those that don’t agree with it.
There’s no way of proving it one way or another. It’s just an opinion but one I happen to hold.

Fair enough. UK politics at the time was very different to now with the main gripe being there being a cigarette paper between new labour and the moderate conservatives. The 'right' Milliband brother being perceived as very much part of that and a poor imitation of Blair.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I want the Labour Party membership, PLP and unions to get over their squabbling and unite behind Starmer or a compromise candidate such as Burnham, and start to provide an effective opposition to the shambolic frauds in power with an eye on winning the next election.

That's not likely to happen, certainly not in the short term, if ever.

 

[west didsblue]

That's not likely to happen, certainly not in the short term, if ever.

Nope, so we’re stuck with this lot who will do what needs to be done to win the next election.

 

[mat]

Newscast - Strictly Starmer - BBC Sounds

The Labour Leader in a ballroom with 12 ex-Labour voters.

www.bbc.co.uk

The differences in reporting by Tory K in this special where Starmer is talking to voters compared to her TV persona is staggering. Still gets the anti corbyn digs in mind.

Probably get broadcast on News24 at 3am.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Nope, so we’re stuck with this lot who will do what needs to be done to win the next election.

On that we agree.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I want the Labour Party membership, PLP and unions to get over their squabbling and unite behind Starmer or a compromise candidate such as Burnham, and start to provide an effective opposition to the shambolic frauds in power with an eye on winning the next election.

Tbf this was the brilliance of Blair, to bring about that unity in a way that was also supported by the actual left.