Keir Starmer

[Vic]

I did mine from memory (not Google).

Yeah, but I looked online in likely locations.

 

[Rascal]

I miss the old school Labour stuff. I had to study this speech for my English A levels. Was there ever a person more wedded to the use of alliteration than kinnock? Can’t imagine Starmer being this emotional

That wasn't Old school Labour, it was the start of Labour's move to the right. The wishy washy Welsh windbag was an alliterator of sorts, but his alliteration was not that of old school Labour.

 

[johnnytapia]

That wasn't Old school Labour, it was the start of Labour's move to the right. The wishy washy Welsh windbag was an alliterator of sorts, but his alliteration was not that of old school Labour.

I was the start of Labour’s move to being electable.

 

[Rascal]

I was the start of Labour’s move to being electable.

It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.

 

[the blue panther]

It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.

To my mind there is no route back to office currently without dramatic agreements with opposition parties to stand down in order to make it a 1 v 1 fight against a tory. I can't see anything changing soon because the tories are terrible; untrustworthy; incompetent; but still they're not under any threat of losing popularity, and the majority of the media continue to support them. Labour doesn't look like it can ever recover in Scotland - which was formerly a crucial powerbase.

So, should Labour bite the bullet and seek formal agreements/mergers with Lib Dems and Greens?

 

[joe123]

So, should Labour bite the bullet and seek formal agreements/mergers with Lib Dems and Greens?

In short, yes. I don’t see any other route to power. A deal with the SNP would be too complicated and Labour have no hope of winning back those Scottish seats it previously needed to win elections. They simply need to operate on an “anyone but to the Tories” ticket, but I’ve little confidence they will.

 

[johnnytapia]

It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.

Your worst day in power is better than your best day in opposition.

 

[Vic]

It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.

So full employment wasn't good for the working class?

 

[johnnytapia]

So full employment wasn't good for the working class?

The minimum wage must have been a bummer too.

 

[mat]

"Stronger Together" is the Starmer version of Build back better.

Ironic as he's purging anyone left of him from the party.

The cull would be front page news had another leader done it.