Keir Starmer

do you want to win, and have some of what you want enacted, or lose, and have 5 more years of everything you don't want enacted.

Appears most people just want to be indignant and have something to complain about rather than be pragmatic, logical and take responsibility for doing stuff.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I absolutely get the sentiment on Merseyside and on here and I despise Murdoch and his empire. I am also not really a Starmer fan BUT if Labour are to reach the parts they need to then they need to write an article in the Sun to see what response that generates to gauge what they have to do - its one of those hold your nose and do it situations. If Starmer doesn't his successor would probably have to.
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Big echoes of 1994 watching the Labour doc that was on last night. Starmer isn’t Blair though and I don’t think can take enough of his own party along the ride.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I absolutely get the sentiment on Merseyside and on here and I despise Murdoch and his empire. I am also not really a Starmer fan BUT if Labour are to reach the parts they need to then they need to write an article in the Sun to see what response that generates to gauge what they have to do - its one of those hold your nose and do it situations. If Starmer doesn't his successor would probably have to.
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Yes, irrespective of the disdain with which The Sun is held in Merseyside it is still the most widely read of the printed media amongst much of Labour’s target electorate. Anyone who wants rid of the Tories should welcome Starmer reaching out to as wide a range of voters as possible even if it is via media that is reviled in one area of the country.
 
I'll preface this by saying I am far from a political expert. I will also note that Keir Starmer isn't everyone's cup of tea, however...

Given the report on the pandemic has just come out (& cases are back up to 40,000 a day), the continuing fuel issues, the upcoming COP26 thing, the Northern Ireland issues and that the country is basically an utter mess plus the fact Boris has fucked off on his jollies, why am I am not seeing or hearing Keir Starmer on every news channel/radio station/newspaper front page in the country, firstly drilling this home to the everyone but secondly coming out with what we should be doing, proposing what Labour would introduce, surely now is the perfect time to make yourself look like a leader, someone the country would want to try and sort everything?

(I'm not saying he's capable of doing that but given the utter shit show we have in charge it cant be that difficult to make yourself look like a viable alternative option?)

Why cant he & Labour step up it & show there serious about wanting to win the next election?
 
west didsblue said:
Yes, irrespective of the disdain with which The Sun is held in Merseyside it is still the most widely read of the printed media amongst much of Labour’s target electorate. Anyone who wants rid of the Tories should welcome Starmer reaching out to as wide a range of voters as possible even if it is via media that is reviled in one area of the country.
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www.google.com

Keir Starmer faces backlash after writing article for The Sun

Labour leader has previously said he would not give interview to newspaper
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Agreed, but it was somewhat dishonest to make the claim he wouldn't speak to the Sun during the Leadership election when he knew people would infer that he meant that to be more wider than the leadership election.

I knew that he only meant during the leadership election when I heard it at the time, but I also knew people would misinterpret it. It was quite a cynical thing to do, he would have won regardless without the announcement of boycotting the Sun.
 
daveyboybluemoon said:
I'll preface this by saying I am far from a political expert. I will also note that Keir Starmer isn't everyone's cup of tea, however...

Given the report on the pandemic has just come out (& cases are back up to 40,000 a day), the continuing fuel issues, the upcoming COP26 thing, the Northern Ireland issues and that the country is basically an utter mess plus the fact Boris has fucked off on his jollies, why am I am not seeing or hearing Keir Starmer on every news channel/radio station/newspaper front page in the country, firstly drilling this home to the everyone but secondly coming out with what we should be doing, proposing what Labour would introduce, surely now is the perfect time to make yourself look like a leader, someone the country would want to try and sort everything?

(I'm not saying he's capable of doing that but given the utter shit show we have in charge it cant be that difficult to make yourself look like a viable alternative option?)

Why cant he & Labour step up it & show there serious about wanting to win the next election?
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That would mean admitting his predecessor was right in his stance on lack of government activity at the time.

Sir Keir wouldn't want Corbyn to look good. He's rather sit on the fence and do fuck all. Maybe send Ashworth out to comment on two news shows and that's it.
 
daveyboybluemoon said:
I'll preface this by saying I am far from a political expert. I will also note that Keir Starmer isn't everyone's cup of tea, however...

Given the report on the pandemic has just come out (& cases are back up to 40,000 a day), the continuing fuel issues, the upcoming COP26 thing, the Northern Ireland issues and that the country is basically an utter mess plus the fact Boris has fucked off on his jollies, why am I am not seeing or hearing Keir Starmer on every news channel/radio station/newspaper front page in the country, firstly drilling this home to the everyone but secondly coming out with what we should be doing, proposing what Labour would introduce, surely now is the perfect time to make yourself look like a leader, someone the country would want to try and sort everything?

(I'm not saying he's capable of doing that but given the utter shit show we have in charge it cant be that difficult to make yourself look like a viable alternative option?)

Why cant he & Labour step up it & show there serious about wanting to win the next election?
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Partly they would need a reason to be shown. There are only a limited number of places where they would be interviewed, Parliament is in recess for conferences and there is no announcement being made to draw the media to them.

Partly (and this is opinion without facts to base it on), going and complaining will justify being asked "what are you suggesting" (the govt ministers do get asked to justify things but refuse to answer with anything meaningful/true). I think there is still need to be done to firm up the Labour alternative - something which will stand up and that doesn't give the rottweilers something to howl about and avoid talking about the current problems. The trouble is that almost every solution is going to cost a fair chunk of money, and that probably means more tax in some form or other.

It seems that the aim is to let the govt fail to answer things and hope it seeps into public consciousness.
 
To be fair Keith was highly visible yesterday .... literally stealing Johnson's clothes. If he'd edged to left a bit he may not have failed.

 
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