Keir Starmer

[urban genie]

Bud, momentum is a cancer.

That may be so, as was/is progress on the other wing.

However you said they are at every level controling the party, I asked how you know this as bar the press saying it and jon lansam in the NEC where have you experienced this?

 

[mexico1970]

That may be so, as was/is progress on the other wing.

However you said they are at every level controling the party, I asked how you know this as bar the press saying it and jon lansam in the NEC where have you experienced this?

I said they are pulling the strings and they are, they are grass root conspirators and Labour need to extract them if they are to have any chance of escaping the political drop.

 

[Ban-jani]

I do, I wanted to emphasise the point.

Fair enough.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Like most people on either side of the political debate I can't stand Blair but he has written an interesting piece for The Guardian..

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...not-make-itself-feel-better-its-about-winning

 

[Ban-jani]

Like most people on either side of the political debate I can't stand Blair but he has written an interesting piece for The Guardian..

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...not-make-itself-feel-better-its-about-winning

He’s absolutely bang on here-

Fifth, patriotism matters, but I’m afraid we don’t get to define its basics. These are: pride in our country; support for the armed forces; being strong on law and order. The progressive view of patriotism will never be the same as the conservative one. We will add an emphasis on values of tolerance, equality and a commitment to social justice. But the basics can’t be absent.

Whether people like it or not the “red wall” is and always will be patriotic and Corbyn is seen as a threat.

I’m not necessarily saying it’s my view but it is THE view of people in these communities.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I said they are pulling the strings and they are, they are grass root conspirators and Labour need to extract them if they are to have any chance of escaping the political drop.

As Kinnock did with Militant Tendency.
Mind you, they still got twatted anyway.

 

[CityStu]

It gets boring being right all the time.....

And coming up on the rails.

What is it like to be right all the time?

 

[The perfect fumble]

What is it like to be right all the time?

Of course I was right, the fact he didn't make the cut is of no consequence, he stood no chance anyway. Lewis is still one to watch.

For now this is a two horse race, and it was always going to be thus.

I reckon it'll be whatsit with the double barrelled name, Sir Keir of Stammer is too boring and there's a whiff of New Labour about him.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Maybe you can explain why these policies always poll so well amongst all voters? I am not saying that people like socialism per say but they like some socialist policies its a fact that you can't get away from.

The problem the Labour party had was that people DO like some of the policies but this GE wasn't about policies but about Brexit. But even if it was just about policies, Labour simply offered far too many of them. Fund the NHS properly and renationalise the railways (showing how this could be done without significant expenditure) should have been the two major policies they offered. These affect many people, including Tory voters. But they offered far too many and even so-called "traditional" Labour voters saw the party as a bunch of London-centric, metropolitan, sixth-form socialists who simply weren't grounded in any sort of day-to-day reality.

One of the reasons that the Leave vote won the Brexit referendum was that their message was a simple one that resonated with ordinary people whereas Stronger In failed ot get hte message across that there were significant advantages to remaining in the EU and got wrapped up in all sorts of arguments that simply didn't register with the day-to-day concerns of people outside Westminster.

 

[blueinsa]

It gets boring being right all the time.....

And coming up on the rails.

Is Clive laughing at you there mate?