Keir Starmer

[bluenova]

Confirmed he doesn't give a fuck about supporting workers.

I don't know if I should walk away or stay inside banging my head against a brick wall.

This feels like an argument Labour had over 100 years ago - arguing about whether the political party should be directly supporting unions and workers, or whether it needs to have some distance if it's going to be in a position to help create a society that is fairer for all workers.

I thought the latter had been the consensus for just about every Labour leader since.

Sam Tarry or Keir Starmer standing on a picket line will do f-all right now, except make them feel better. It allows the Tories to frame the dispute as "politics", and makes it easier for them to justify not getting involved. It makes it less likely that the dispute would be settled. It also makes the Labour party look less like a government in waiting - particularly if they're arguing, as both Labour and the unions are, that the current govt are ultimately the ones preventing a settlement.

Unions and the party should, where possible, be working together to achieve common aims, but they should both know that there are advantages in taking different paths, even if the ultimate direction is similar. It's surely the whole point of why the party was created in the first place.

 

[Aba452]

Well done Keir Starmer leader of the Labour Party who with this afternoon's sacking has secured my votes from now on.................for the LD's

Understand where you're coming from, Blue. However don't forget the lib Dems lies over tuition fees, propping up weak coward Cameron's government and being fully supportive of austerity which even **** Osborne admitted was unnecessary. Yellow is an entirely appropriate colour for them.

There are other choices that we'll all have to make, in my opinion in the next 12 months, be it by conscience or tactically.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Understand where you're coming from, Blue. However don't forget the lib Dems lies over tuition fees, propping up weak coward Cameron's government and being fully supportive of austerity which even **** Osborne admitted was unnecessary. Yellow is an entirely appropriate colour for them.

There are other choices that we'll all have to make, in my opinion in the next 12 months, be it by conscience or tactically.

I’m hoping it kick starts Labour into some kind of action.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Understand where you're coming from, Blue. However don't forget the lib Dems lies over tuition fees, propping up weak coward Cameron's government and being fully supportive of austerity which even **** Osborne admitted was unnecessary. Yellow is an entirely appropriate colour for them.

There are other choices that we'll all have to make, in my opinion in the next 12 months, be it by conscience or tactically.

Its tactical but also in an annoyed response to Starmers fucking betrayal of the working class.

When I moved here it was a Labour seat - then it changed and Simon Clark became our joke of an MP. Never see/ hear anything of him and also Labour have just given up. Lib Dems are very active and we hear from them all the time as they are going to target this seat so in fairness I probably would not have voted Labour next time either

 

[A57 the snake]

Confirmed he doesn't give a fuck about supporting workers.

I don't know if I should walk away or stay inside bangi

Confirmed he doesn't give a fuck about supporting workers.

I don't know if I should walk away or stay inside banging my head against a brick wall.

If that was my union today who an MP stood with us and got sacked I’d walk and the members would to, these people on picket lines are not just fighting for themselves their fighting for all the workers , looks to me someone is forgetting their values and hell bent on getting to the top regardless of who put them there , sounds like someone similar. And look how that turned out. Starmer lost his bottle and values today, shame.
Been a rep and branch secretary for a while now after today I’ll be taking a time out but been through too much to see this happen.
I’ve never been militant just always wanted fairness for workers .

 

[Postman Pep]

#Vote Labour for fiscal responsibility

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

This feels like an argument Labour had over 100 years ago - arguing about whether the political party should be directly supporting unions and workers, or whether it needs to have some distance if it's going to be in a position to help create a society that is fairer for all workers.

I thought the latter had been the consensus for just about every Labour leader since.

Sam Tarry or Keir Starmer standing on a picket line will do f-all right now, except make them feel better. It allows the Tories to frame the dispute as "politics", and makes it easier for them to justify not getting involved. It makes it less likely that the dispute would be settled. It also makes the Labour party look less like a government in waiting - particularly if they're arguing, as both Labour and the unions are, that the current govt are ultimately the ones preventing a settlement.

Unions and the party should, where possible, be working together to achieve common aims, but they should both know that there are advantages in taking different paths, even if the ultimate direction is similar. It's surely the whole point of why the party was created in the first place.

It’s a good point and one that Starmer himself made. This doesn’t mean that Labour cannot help out in the background, which one of the Union rep’s confirmed they were doing.

The issue with the sacking is more a disciplinary one as Starmer clearly stated that front benchers are not to attend, and with Burley picking him up on his ‘Inflationary pay rise’ comment, that again went against what Starmer was arguing.

For me, he wasn’t sacked just because he was supporting his former friends and colleagues, it was because he went against what Starmer has been preaching for a while.

Right or wrong, I don’t think Starmer had any option but to remove him.

 

[blueinsa]

Fucking shameful from Starmer and Labour but hey, Sky news and Murdoch demanded his sacking this morning and like clockwork, Murdochs underlings do as they are told.

 

[mat]

It’s a good point and one that Starmer himself made. This doesn’t mean that Labour cannot help out in the background, which one of the Union rep’s confirmed they were doing.

The issue with the sacking is more a disciplinary one as Starmer clearly stated that front benchers are not to attend, and with Burley picking him up on his ‘Inflationary pay rise’ comment, that again went against what Starmer was arguing.

For me, he wasn’t sacked just because he was supporting his former friends and colleagues, it was because he went against what Starmer has been preaching for a while.

Right or wrong, I don’t think Starmer had any option but to remove him.

Supporting workers on a picket line - Dismissal
Found guilty of actively undermining a winnable general election - *Silence*

 

[Aba452]

Its tactical but also in an annoyed response to Starmers fucking betrayal of the working class.

When I moved here it was a Labour seat - then it changed and Simon Clark became our joke of an MP. Never see/ hear anything of him and also Labour have just given up. Lib Dems are very active and we hear from them all the time as they are going to target this seat so in fairness I probably would not have voted Labour next time either

I live in Denton and a lot of people think the local MP Andrew gwynne is the bee's knees.

I happen to think he's a smug ****, justifying his pay rises, but doing fuck all for public employees and services or showing even a glimmer of compassion for what people went through with austerity or what they're going through now. He's a professional politician got on that gravy train good as corbyns election manager, fucked off by the well fed keif. Oh dear what a shame. Needless to say, that fucker will never get my vote.

On the subject of starmer who and why does a Labour politician have a knighthood? Anthony Wedgewood Benn renounced his peerage and lived by his principles. I didn't agree with his politics but he was utterly sincere in his beliefs.

His son is sir Hillary Benn and likely will be remembered for nothing.

Tony Benn has the Post Office Tower and Concorde as some of his achievements.

My family live in Cheadle, pro Labour but trying to drum into them by voting for the lib Dem would've unseated the tory, hard work! Hope PR can be implemented in my lifetime to actually give true democracy to people but vested interests are there for a reason.