Keir Starmer

Chippy_boy said:
You're doing it again with your condescending attitude. You just cannot help yourself. I only get annoyed by rude people with a bad attitude, of whom there are few.

I know you have called me and other posters "cunts", and treated those with contradictory views to your own, with a shitty, belittling attitude.

Piss poor behaviour yet never offering an ounce of contrition, apology or remorse.

If you think that behaviour makes you a nice bloke, you are sadly mistaken.
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I got the same condescending remarks too. Very belittling I’d say.
 
Heartofoakes64 said:
I got the same condescending remarks too. Very belittling I’d say.
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Genuinely not my style. Think that’s the last thing anyone could say about me; unless I was being deliberately belittling to make a point. And I’m ok at that.

Certainly never intended any of that towards you in any of our interactions. Your argument kept shifting and I didn’t have the bandwidth at the time to deal with it. So I closed the conversation down.

Wouldn’t be able to do my job if I was remotely belittling.
 
Postman Pep said:
Special provision for state operatives who had to put up with threadbare carpets and no Sky TV .... the pebble dashed semi clause ...
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Reckon Sunak’s old man looked like one of them slightly dodgy pharmacists who would have a firestick today. All Sky Channels. Plus PPV Boxing, gratis. One of his customers at the pharmacy sorted him out.

Richi is simply a prisoner of the age he was born into.
 
hilts said:
Relatively qualified is a very strong argument for him indeed:-)

Btw you have no idea how the alternatives would do unless you also live in a parallel universe, which you don't.
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A KC Director of Public Prosecutions Government Minister and Lead Of The Opposition and Now PM is more qualified than anyone else by definition.

Farage is a con artist could well be in Putins pocket or Trumps or both an anti Semit racist economically illiterate / corrupt and nasty

Kemi is an idiot, and nasty

Streeting Burnham are slimy the later would spook the markets

Rayner would be less popular and spook the markets
 
mancityvstoke said:
I stick up for poor pensioners mate not debate daft points that will never ever happen.

Pensioners who get less than the minimum wage to live on after a lifetime of paying NI and promises of being looked after - after working 50 years.

You did not live in the 70's and 80's mate on shit money and hard graft . No cushy offices for us or big pensions, big wages or even minimum wages.

Exactly how much do you think Pensioners should be allowed to receive before being clobbered?

£12,000? £20,000? £50,000?

What do you consider a living wage/pension? (keep in mind not all pensioners have big fuck off houses that you want them turfed out of)
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What daft points ?

Not everyone works an office job now and not all cushy in fact it’s hard to switch of these days with bosses in contact after hours via phone email etc and people don’t just clock off at 5 anymore.

The older generation generally had better pensions than current people defined benefits / final salary.

What about those that do have big houses ? Big pensions etc ? If people are on benefits the pension is a benefit. We expect them to make adjustment if they fall on hard times and we don’t pay them if they have savings etc we do this for working people regardless of how long they have paid in for why should pensioners be different ?
 
metalblue said:
He doesn’t make any decisions, he is accused of waffling for hours to avoid making decisions. That’s why he does well in a talking shop like international relations.
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Waffling ? Are you in his meetings ? Not making decisions? True he has had a lot of reviews no bad thing but more seems to have happened under him than 14 years of Tories
 
WRicko said:
What daft points ?

Not everyone works an office job now and not all cushy in fact it’s hard to switch of these days with bosses in contact after hours via phone email etc and people don’t just clock off at 5 anymore.

The older generation generally had better pensions than current people defined benefits / final salary.

What about those that do have big houses ? Big pensions etc ? If people are on benefits the pension is a benefit. We expect them to make adjustment if they fall on hard times and we don’t pay them if they have savings etc we do this for working people regardless of how long they have paid in for why should pensioners be different ?
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You’d see all pensioners off mate …. I get that . Sadly for you you’re not in charge though . I’m off to spend my millions and my benefits in my fuck off huge warm house .


Laters ….. got to go London tomorrow . Costing me a mint ! Good job I’m a benefit waller innit .
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Genuinely not my style. Think that’s the last thing anyone could say about me; unless I was being deliberately belittling to make a point. And I’m ok at that.

Certainly never intended any of that towards you in any of our interactions. Your argument kept shifting and I didn’t have the bandwidth at the time to deal with it. So I closed the conversation down.

Wouldn’t be able to do my job if I was remotely belittling.
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Fair enough. Have re read my post & cannot see anything wrong with syntax, it did cover quite a bit of information thought.
 
Heartofoakes64 said:
Fair enough. Have re read my post & cannot see anything wrong with syntax, it did cover quite a bit of information thought.
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It wasn’t your syntax. Your argument kept shifting. Not saying it was worthless btw. Just that it was exhausting. And I needed to wind down. So I extracted myself, in a way that I thought was polite, if a little terse.
 
WRicko said:
A KC Director of Public Prosecutions Government Minister and Lead Of The Opposition and Now PM is more qualified than anyone else by definition.
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By what definition? How's hi experience at running a business? What's his economic acumen? He doesn't seem very adept at running organisations and keeping his staff on board. Leaderships skills?

He may be good at some things but it's wholly wrong to assume he's the best man for the job, full stop.

If he is, we're fucked.
 
Kompany Car said:
The average pensioner is as well off as the average worker, not richer and is that really a surprise that peoples wealth increases the older they are ? In the same way that the average 18yr old is poorer than the average 30yr old.

You want people to somehow take retrospective responsibility for their retirement ? Telling people to take retrospective responsibility is a bit like telling someone now, that 15 years ago they should have bought a thousand pounds of Bitcoin or Nvidia shares. Great with hindsight, so why didnt you do it ?

The younger generation can make amazing choices now because the platforms exist to do so. Even as late as the early 2000s, if you wanted to buy or sell shares you needed to contact a broker who would take a sizeable comission and not be remotely interested in dealing with the sums of money which normal people had and buying fractional shares was not possible.

From the 60s to the 80s the stock market pretty much went nowhere, it was only from the mid 80s that it started to grow. Even then you were picking individual stocks and shares as there were no ETFs.

Whilst final salary pensions were available most private businesses stopped them in the late 90s. So if you changed jobs you were likely to go into a defined contribution scheme at which time the rules about minimum contributions and even the employer offering one were non existent.

For those working in finance or from affluent backgrounds it was great, but for the masses; stocks, shares, gilts and the like were a complete mystery. There was no YouTube or simple guides to investing, even now the vast majority of people dont understand investments and thats with millions of hours of free videos, courses and even the likes of Martin Lewis on TV, so what chance did people have back then.

Then you have the question of well why not invest your money now, unfortunately unless you have a big dose of luck, over short periods of time stock markets are very risky but over longer periods the risk becomes vanishingly small. One thing the elderly dont have is time, so relying on growth in the stock market to cover expenses in the next 2 years causes massive exposure to sequence of returns risk which people who are a long way from retirement dont have.

What should be done, well the triple lock should really be changed to a double lock only, so removing the incremental base increase of 2.5% in years when inflation and wages growth are very low. Doing so would save £5Bn per year but it would need to be done after a certain cut off age. In addition as I mentioned on a different thread, creating a wealth fund by using assets of the crown estate, remaining stakes in banks from the 2008 bailouts and the significant overfunding in many local government pension schemes would create a sizeable fund. This could be invested in growing the UK and negating the welfare spending crisis plus improving the UK for the better going forwards. Based upon publicly available figures the yield from such a fund would be in the order of £30Bn per year in todays money. This is not a pie in the sky proposal either, but one which has been proposed by the Institute for Public Policy Research and others.
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A reasoned response unlike some.

However you have played down property increases. And whilst final salary stopped it did exist and whilst defined contribution was less generous it was more generous than a bog standard workplace scheme

Over funding of local government funds ?
 
WRicko said:
A KC Director of Public Prosecutions Government Minister and Lead Of The Opposition and Now PM is more qualified than anyone else by definition.

Farage is a con artist could well be in Putins pocket or Trumps or both an anti Semit racist economically illiterate / corrupt and nasty

Kemi is an idiot, and nasty

Streeting Burnham are slimy the later would spook the markets

Rayner would be less popular and spook the markets
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You said relatively qualified not me. You're a labour clapper we get it.
 
WRicko said:
Waffling ? Are you in his meetings ? Not making decisions? True he has had a lot of reviews no bad thing but more seems to have happened under him than 14 years of Tories
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Labour have done more for people in 14 months than Tories did in 14 years. However, now they’ve shit the bed and forced the issue of change, which was probably always on the cards, those same people who found a bit of sanctuary will now suffer for the sake of certain Labour MPs trying to keep their noses in the trough.

It’s not even about Burnham, not about their constituents, it’s about them.

No wonder so many people have turned to alternative parties, trust is so low that people are grasping for anything that sounds like a positive change.
 
WRicko said:
We expect them to make adjustment if they fall on hard times and we don’t pay <benefits> if they have savings etc we do this for working people regardless of how long they have paid in for why should pensioners be different ?
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Because benefits are provided to people in need, pensions are something you've earned a right to. The two are not equivalent at all.
 
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