Keir Starmer

hilts said:
Exactly and I think PR will be pushed away because well you know now is not the right time is it? Too much to do ie fuck that we're in power and we ain't giving that up.
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I really do hope that he bores us to death that we have one less topic to read.
 
hilts said:
I think you will find as I said earlier history will repeat itself. The Tories and Labour are very similar in that they're factions in their parties that cannot hold together for any length of time.

If/when Starmer gets the gig he will try and be the sensible centre bloke. A little to the poor with the help of borrowing and taxes. But not to much to piss off the financial sector and big business. The economy you see.
His majority although healthy will start to creak. He won't be doing enough quick enough for some in his own party. Those who want true change won't see it. The career politicians will be happy enough but the ones with a vision, the members, the public sector and the unions will soon become disaffected. Then they will eat themselves.

You may get an election cycle of crumbs sold as being stable and responsible. But the usual problems without answers will be back.

So yeah hard to get excited about really even Jess Phillips said tonight that she would like to do a lot but will have to accept a little. It was both refreshingly honest and also rather depressing.
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Starmer is far from the end point of where I hope british politics goes, but it'd be a step in the right direction which we haven't had in a while.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
The benefit people will get is that this shit-show will be finished and the clouds dispersing, giving just a little bit of light, will be that breather that everybody needs.

There’s a big job ahead and I just cannot see how a Conservative government can achieve even the basics. I’d love to say that they could as it benefits the country but they are so divided, they are in a worse position than when JC had his issues.

Interesting that Sky News have just done a piece with people in Stoke. The last time they did it, post COVID, there was still lots of support for the Tories but that seems to have changed and the people that were shown were very much adamant that a General Election should be had.

They want their pound of flesh.
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Funny how sky turn in up in stoke they’ve been there during the brexit referendum and again during the last election, they got their way in both and now like most instead of looking in the mirror it’s always someone else’s fault we’re in this mess . Like so many their now victims of their own political ignorance in believing the Tory run media. People need to sit up and take notice of real truth in what’s actually happening and not what’s promised.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I think the question, at this point, is who do you want running the country at this moment?

We all have our idealistic choice where we choose on our personal values but those ideals are not always realised with the options we have. So, we have a realistic choice of government. Is it the Conservative party, or Labour?
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That was the question for the last three general elections. Forgive me for not giving a shit now. Now you have someone who is acceptable, now they won't rock the boat.


People on here say they want change, they don't. They want more of the same but with a slightly better image. At least be fucking honest about it.
 
Don Karleone said:
That was the question for the last three general elections. Forgive me for not giving a shit now. Now you have someone who is acceptable, now they won't rock the boat.


People on here say they want change, they don't. They want more of the same but with a slightly better image. At least be fucking honest about it.
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Who would those people be? I do not believe that Starmer/Labour are anywhere near this current government. So, no, they’re not all the same as none can be anywhere near the current cunts that are in.
 
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