Keir Starmer

[robbieh]

You would think those that have been fawning over Corbyn and Labour for years would like a bit of perspective seeing as the ones you think are electable got a right twatting. If you think it’s just Tories contributing to this thread then that’s the whole problem. The lack of self awareness from the cult since they lost the election and let down a lot of pretty desperate people is quite staggering.

The desperate people who would have benefited from their policies.

 

[Ban-jani]

You see, many of those you're classing as Tories are nothing of the kind. I don't class myself as one for a start. I've voted Labour & Conservative in the past and will probably do so in the future depending on their respective manifesto's and record whilst in Government.

Your post is yet another example of you just not getting it.

You and I are the people they should be listening too. I wasn’t far away from voting Labour before the manifesto came out but was ultimately pushed away.

 

[Cheesy]

You and I are the people they should be listening too.

What, racist Nazi scum?????????

They'll never listen to the likes of us!

 

[Ban-jani]

The desperate people who would have benefited from their policies.

That’s subjective.

I disagree.

The Liberal manifesto was the greatest, minus the revoke policy which most hated.

 

[hilts]

The desperate people who would have benefited from their policies.

Wow you really really don’t get it do you?

 

[urban genie]

Don't know much about him but being prepared to die for your country is not a qualification for leading the LP. After all I imagine Paddy Ashdown and even a few Tories might have done that.

Also can you imagine Johnson doing that? I can't yet he seems to be popular enough with his party.

Ian Duncan Smith was in the army so not sure that is the measure of a party leader, as he was shite as one

 

[urban genie]

Rumours RLB and Angela raynor have done a deal for Raynor to contest the deputy leadership rather than go up against her friend and comrade

 

[jay_mcfc]

Rumours RLB and Angela raynor have done a deal for Raynor to contest the deputy leadership rather than go up against her friend and comrade

Rayner would get murdered by the press. They’d be brutal with her.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Haha. I never met a ruler who likes any kind of opposition :)

Strange that because in a recent leaders course I did they told us that “Alpha’s hire Alpha’s”

Meaning a true Alpha wouldn’t give a shit about hiring another, such is their level of self-confidence

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Rebecca long bailey would be an awful choice. Pretty much the same policies/ ideas as Corbyn.

 

[BosnianBlue]

Strange that because in a recent leaders course I did they told us that “Alpha’s hire Alpha’s”

Meaning a true Alpha wouldn’t give a shit about hiring another, such is their level of self-confidence

That's theory only though, in political practice they destroy whoever might be competent enough to take their place.

 

[robbieh]

Wow you really really don’t get it do you?

So you think that ending homelessness, getting the NHS back on track etc etc would not have helped the desperate in society. Or did you mean desperate as in desperate to get Brexit done?

 

[Bluemanc100]

That's theory only though, in political practice they destroy whoever might be competent enough to take their place.

Maybe the only profession then where that rule wouldn’t apply.... or BJ isn’t an Alpha

 

[hilts]

So you think that ending homelessness, getting the NHS back on track etc etc would not have helped the desperate in society. Or did you mean desperate as in desperate to get Brexit done?

Hard work this, how many Labour governments since 2010 have managed to help those desperate people. Is thinking what they could have done helped them?

If you think new labour weren’t proper labour then imagine how many people you could have helped over the last 40 odd years. Maybe a good tag line for the next election - vote Labour we have been great for the last 50 years in a parallel universe.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Better off? When did you buy your house? For example, in 1997 your average house price was four times the average salary. Today it is over 8 times your salary! So by what metric do you measure?

Disposable income is one measure. But whereas that is much, much higher, the raw statistics still no not include the fact that technological improvements have yielded qualitative as well as monetary improvement. People now own Nespresso machines, 55" TVs, electric toothbrushes. When I was a lad we didn't have central heating until I was about 12. No double glazing, frost on the inside of the windows in winter. My Christmas present one year was a whip and top. Kids have PlayStation 3's now.

Most people (not all, granted, but most) are immeasurably better off.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...leincomeandinequality/financialyearending2016

 

[robbieh]

Hard work this, how many Labour governments since 2010 have managed to help those desperate people. Is thinking what they could have done helped them?

If you think new labour weren’t proper labour then imagine how many people you could have helped over the last 40 odd years. Maybe a good tag line for the next election - vote Labour we have been great for the last 50 years in a parallel universe.

So the best election strategy is pretend you're Tory lite, get voted in, then introduce socialist policies that will help the people who would not have voted for you if you'd campaigned on those same policies.

 

[Chris in London]

Labour needs to do only two things to win in 2024: choose an electable leader, and choose some electable policies.

Not exactly rocket science, but they’ve failed on both for about 10 years and there are few signs they are learning from past mistakes.

 

[robbieh]

Disposable income is one measure. But whereas that is much, much higher, the raw statistics still no not include the fact that technological improvements have yielded qualitative as well as monetary improvement. People now own Nespresso machines, 55" TVs, electric toothbrushes. When I was a lad we didn't have central heating until I was about 12. No double glazing, frost on the inside of the windows in winter. My Christmas present one year was a whip and top. Kids have PlayStation 3's now.

Most people (not all, granted, but most) are immeasurably better off.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...leincomeandinequality/financialyearending2016

PlayStation 3 doesn't maketh the man.

 

[hilts]

So the best election strategy is pretend you're Tory lite, get voted in, then introduce socialist policies that will help the people who would not have voted for you if you'd campaigned on those same policies.

You almost got it, almost. The last sentence puts you back in the bad logic corner.

 

[robbieh]

Labour needs to do only two things to win in 2024: choose an electable leader, and choose some electable policies.

Not exactly rocket science, but they’ve failed on both for about 10 years and there are few signs they are learning from past mistakes.

Not true if the Tories are anything to go by.

One policy, one slogan and one shambles of a man. Job done. Welcome to politics in the 21st century.