Keir Starmer

[Mike D]

People of your ilk have been thinking like that for 50 years. Unless Labour and their band of immature momentum followers take a dose of reality the majority of the electorate will continually suffer because of it. You lot keep putting in power the very people you despise.

The problem is people like you who have it in their heads that this election somehow about a test of socialism and that this proves its dead which is bullshit. The election was first and foremost about Brexit anyone who can't see that needs to give their head a wobble. Secondly it like all elections was about the people that we were electing and Johnson won hands down. Pretty much everything else pales in to insignificance. the tories had virtually no policies and Johnson avoided scrutiny at every opportunity and when he did he beat the same drum get Brexit done!!

Now I don't know what you and the rest of these anti socialist don't see maybe its your desperation to say socialism is dead we told you so. But it isn't and as long as there are decent honest human beings around it would always be around in some form or another. A strong leader who is liked by the public and a simple clear message and you won't be beating the same drum come post the next GE.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The problem is people like you who have it in their heads that this election somehow about a test of socialism and that this proves its dead which is bullshit. The election was first and foremost about Brexit anyone who can't see that needs to give their head a wobble. Secondly it like all elections was about the people that we were electing and Johnson won hands down. Pretty much everything else pales in to insignificance. the tories had virtually no policies and Johnson avoided scrutiny at every opportunity and when he did he beat the same drum get Brexit done!!

Now I don't know what you and the rest of these anti socialist don't see maybe its your desperation to say socialism is dead we told you so. But it isn't and as long as there are decent honest human beings around it would always be around in some form or another. A strong leader who is liked by the public and a simple clear message and you won't be beating the same drum come post the next GE.

Corbyn embodies everything you strive for, he propounds the socialist mantra constantly, what was his problem
then, why was he roundly rejected? You are, of course, correct in your assessment that Brexit dominated, yet there
are millions of remainers, many, if not most, staunchly so, and if many of these people want socialism, the result
would probably have seen Johnson win, but by no landslide. Why didn't all these kids join forces with the hordes of
socialists desperate for this style of government?
The answer is all around you, most folk are in work, unions are irrelevant now, worker/management participation
is commonplace, nobody has this 'Bosses against the workers' mindset any more, there are now no strikes, no pickets,
flying or otherwise. It's no good constantly preaching radical change is needed when facing these facts, it's no good
calling for everything to be swept away along a tide of social justice, the country is in pretty good shape, not perfect,
nowhere is, but doing OK by any yardstick. The philosophy of socialism is now becoming some quaint anachronism in most
prosperous western nations, 'Populism' used as a derogatory term by the losing left, is actually the will of the people, who
were not, and are not, being brainwashed by Russia, hoodwinked by anyone, or simply not in possession of the truth,
they know what is needed, and it ain't socialism.

 

[Ban-jani]

The problem is people like you who have it in their heads that this election somehow about a test of socialism and that this proves its dead which is bullshit. The election was first and foremost about Brexit anyone who can't see that needs to give their head a wobble. Secondly it like all elections was about the people that we were electing and Johnson won hands down. Pretty much everything else pales in to insignificance. the tories had virtually no policies and Johnson avoided scrutiny at every opportunity and when he did he beat the same drum get Brexit done!!

Now I don't know what you and the rest of these anti socialist don't see maybe its your desperation to say socialism is dead we told you so. But it isn't and as long as there are decent honest human beings around it would always be around in some form or another. A strong leader who is liked by the public and a simple clear message and you won't be beating the same drum come post the next GE.

The insinuation there that it’s decent human beings that like socialism and those that don’t aren’t, doesn’t help at all. There’s many of us who are economically moderate, many that are left of centre, are for nationalising some industries and closing the gap between rich and poor but have been put off by the purist momentum driven obnoxious behaviour, that Corbyn’s base has driven.

Socialism isn’t definitely dead but it needs someone at Blair’s level of communication skills to sell it, not that he was socialist I’m just talking about his sales ability.

To be honest I don’t think the British public wants it. They want centrist economic policies, but not globalisation as Blairism was, and conservative social policies.

The only party offering this is the SDP but they don’t have the power to make an impact in this FPTP.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The insinuation there that it’s decent human beings that like socialism and those that don’t aren’t, doesn’t help at all.

This is exactly how it has been presented by Corbynistas, unless you're a socialist you're a heartless grasping bastard,
which must mean that the residents of some of the most deprived towns in the country, fit that description.
It's going to be a long hard, and ultimately futile path for Labour, unless they can find another Blair, which is
a remote prospect it seems.

 

[blueinsa]

Starmer is very obviously the choice of the PLP but I still think RLB and Rayner will be anointed by those pulling the strings.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Why hasn't Di declared she's running yet?

 

[The blue phantom]

Wondered when the mocking of Abbott would start.

 

[Chris in London]

Which Blairism are you trying to project here?

 

[smudgedj]

Wondered when the mocking of Abbott would start.

Who is mocking?

Only a leader like Diana has the gravitas, knowledge, skills and experience to deal with the Iranian crisis and climate change. Or maybe Jess.

 

[hilts]

The problem is people like you who have it in their heads that this election somehow about a test of socialism and that this proves its dead which is bullshit. The election was first and foremost about Brexit anyone who can't see that needs to give their head a wobble. Secondly it like all elections was about the people that we were electing and Johnson won hands down. Pretty much everything else pales in to insignificance. the tories had virtually no policies and Johnson avoided scrutiny at every opportunity and when he did he beat the same drum get Brexit done!!

Now I don't know what you and the rest of these anti socialist don't see maybe its your desperation to say socialism is dead we told you so. But it isn't and as long as there are decent honest human beings around it would always be around in some form or another. A strong leader who is liked by the public and a simple clear message and you won't be beating the same drum come post the next GE.

Err your band of merry men

Put Corbyn in charge
Decided on a brexit stance
Unbelievably thought the way to win an election was to offer more stuff which to anyone but an utter moron could only result in losing votes.

By the way labelling people as socialist or anti socialist doesn't help your cause and shows a lack of logical thinking. Another reason why you keep losing.

50 years fella but next time........

PMSL

 

[blueinsa]

Err your band of merry men

Put Corbyn in charge
Decided on a brexit stance
Unbelievably thought the way to win an election was to offer more stuff which to anyone but an utter moron could only result in losing votes.

By the way labelling people as socialist or anti socialist doesn't help your cause and shows a lack of logical thinking. Another reason why you keep losing.

50 years fella but next time........

PMSL

"Shut it yer nazi anti socialist"

Confused? You will be!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

50 years fella but next time........

Just had to put up this cracking old chestnut in response to that, and let's all hope for the biggest collapse in history...

 

[Mike D]

Corbyn embodies everything you strive for, he propounds the socialist mantra constantly, what was his problem
then, why was he roundly rejected? You are, of course, correct in your assessment that Brexit dominated, yet there
are millions of remainers, many, if not most, staunchly so, and if many of these people want socialism, the result
would probably have seen Johnson win, but by no landslide. Why didn't all these kids join forces with the hordes of
socialists desperate for this style of government?
The answer is all around you, most folk are in work, unions are irrelevant now, worker/management participation
is commonplace, nobody has this 'Bosses against the workers' mindset any more, there are now no strikes, no pickets,
flying or otherwise. It's no good constantly preaching radical change is needed when facing these facts, it's no good
calling for everything to be swept away along a tide of social justice, the country is in pretty good shape, not perfect,
nowhere is, but doing OK by any yardstick. The philosophy of socialism is now becoming some quaint anachronism in most
prosperous western nations, 'Populism' used as a derogatory term by the losing left, is actually the will of the people, who
were not, and are not, being brainwashed by Russia, hoodwinked by anyone, or simply not in possession of the truth,
they know what is needed, and it ain't socialism.

As I have said he was rejected because he is Jeremy Corbyn and that was the problem same as in 2017 with the only difference being that the Tories had Theresa May. The same happened in 2015 Cameron versus Milliband who was also not really liked as looking a bit weird. Its interesting that you don't mention the fact that 2017 Corbyn increased Labour's share of votes and seats with a far more socialist agenda? Maybe it slipped your mind but 2017 was about May getting a margin like Johnson's to deliver her vision and Brexit wasn't the key factor.

If we haven't got a populist government maybe you can explain what constant lies repeated by Johnson are all about Nurses, Hospital, etc. Or are we living in a post truth era like the US where falsehoods become alternative truths or something else? Or maybe populism has a whole knew definition now a days and voting down amendments to the Brexit bill on letting child refuges be able to be reunited in the country that they are in. Maybe is just acceptable now and the rise or racism across country and the football terraces is something that we are just going to have to get used and shouldn't think its got anything to do with a populist government we all see things differently and maybe a racist will just become acceptable one day not something that the right hates being called out for?

 

[blueinsa]

Wondered when the mocking of Abbott would start.

I knew someone would put 2 + 2 together and come up with 5.

 

[hilts]

"Shut it yer nazi anti socialist"

Confused? You will be!

I love Labour

" so we offered shit loads of stuff and lost bloody hell"

" too many of middle England thought it was a tad too much. What shall we do for the next election? We need to get in and help people."

" let's offer as much shit as possible. Double or triple it I say"

" no no surely that will mean less will vote for us plus brexit and Corbyn doesn't help at all"

" I think we need to offer even more then comrade"

" well we lost again. I fucking told you. Those who wanted more on public services were in the bag anyhow you dipshit"

" it was Murdoch everyone loved the shit. Don't worry next time let's try and see if we can win by offering even more shit"

 

[Ancient Citizen]

@Mike D Corbyn was over 50 seats shy of the useless entity that was May, yet this one tiny sliver of light is still held
up as something seismic. Miliband, and Corbyn both were rejected, Miliband was known as Red Ed, the voters
don't like socialists, yet you're still asserting that, eventually they will.
The second half of your narrative has been heard ad nauseum, I'm afraid.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I knew someone would put 2 + 2 together and come up with 5.

You're just not allowed to have a laugh on here...

 

[Mike D]

@Mike D Corbyn was over 50 seats shy of the useless entity that was May, yet this one tiny sliver of light is still held
up as something seismic. Miliband, and Corbyn both were rejected, Miliband was known as Red Ed, the voters
don't like socialists, yet you're still asserting that, eventually they will.
The second half of your narrative has been heard ad nauseum, I'm afraid.

Maybe you can explain why these policies always poll so well amongst all voters? I am not saying that people like socialism per say but they like some socialist policies its a fact that you can't get away from. I'm guessing the populism is a taboo in your books despite the clear evidence it a bit like calling a far right racist a racist they tend to throw it back and you and accuse you of using it as a defence mechanism.

 

[Chippy_boy]

@Mike D Corbyn was over 50 seats shy of the useless entity that was May, yet this one tiny sliver of light is still held
up as something seismic. Miliband, and Corbyn both were rejected, Miliband was known as Red Ed, the voters
don't like socialists, yet you're still asserting that, eventually they will.
The second half of your narrative has been heard ad nauseum, I'm afraid.

This is why I still think Wrong Daily will be their next leader. For her *not* to win, it requires a recognition from the broader party that the policies and direction they were following was wrong. I have heard no such admission. They seem to think that they were on the right track but just didn't sell it well enough. "Our manifesto was very popular" and "it was the media campaign against Jeremy" and other such bollocks.

Where is the "We've had it all wrong since Blair stepped down"?

EDIT: See above!

 

[blueinsa]

This is why I still think Wrong Daily will be their next leader. For her *not* to win, it requires a recognition from the broader party that the policies and direction they were following was wrong. I have heard no such admission. They seem to think that they were on the right track but just didn't sell it well enough. "Our manifesto was very popular" and "it was the media campaign against Jeremy" and other such bollocks.

Where is the "We've had it all wrong since Blair stepped down"?

EDIT: See above!

McCluskey and Lansman will direct the NEC and between them they will crown the clear choice of McDonnell which is RLB and Rayner.

Votes required will be being signed up as we speak.