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Keir Starmer
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Churchlawtonblue
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He may have said that, However he still managed to alienate himself just a bit further from the voting public that he now hopes to win over by voting against Brexit yet again last week. Leopards and spots spring to mind.Agree, but he has come out and said remain vs leave is over. Also, 5 years is a long time for the government or opposition to shine/fuck up. Got a lot of work to do to distance the party from Corbyn, but he's got the time to do it. Whether the party membership give him the chance remains to be seen.
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I'm the type of voter that Labour need to attract if they'e any hope of getting back in to power.
For me, Kier Starmer is their best bet by a country mile.
Same here but as a leave voter right now i cant forgive or forget his role but im sure with time i will get over that.
He is without a doubt the only credible opposition leader right now.
Same here but as a leave voter right now i cant forgive or forget his role but im sure with time i will get over that.
He is without a doubt the only credible opposition leader right now.
I hope to fuck that Brexit isn't still clouding our political leanings come the next election!
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I hope to fuck that Brexit isn't still clouding our political leanings come the next election!
Agreed.
urban genie
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As a memeber I can only tell you what I have heard from other members and union reps
Phillips - not a chance of getting a vote from anyone I have talked to, and wasn't expecting she would.
Her comments since anouncing her campaign to consider re-admission to the EU and appointing Cooper and Reeves has alienated her more.
Thornbury - got one person laughing and another shaking their head, not popular.
Nandy - actually positive but wary that she is too eager sometimes to please everyone and will be dictated to by the PLP, still know some who are considering her.
Long-Bailey - popular with the staunch lefties, but old heads also wary that she is already being castigated and demonised from the press and it won't get any better, maybe too soon for her but still well liked.
Starmer- saying the right things and his history is of decent socialist upbringing and compassionate work as a lawyer all have said if honest the most electable, but some wary that all this talk hides his more new labour beliefs.
Overall all have said it ain't about whose the most leftie, but who will get labour back in contention and they are gonna vote on that as in the end conference and the NEC still have a sway in labours direction
I expecct starmer to win, I admit for me it is between nandy/Long-bailey/starmer but will wait for the campaigns before deciding.
As for deputy, Angela raynor for me, and most mates, burgon is the choice of the unions and some on the left, but I just cannot vote for the clown.
Phillips - not a chance of getting a vote from anyone I have talked to, and wasn't expecting she would.
Her comments since anouncing her campaign to consider re-admission to the EU and appointing Cooper and Reeves has alienated her more.
Thornbury - got one person laughing and another shaking their head, not popular.
Nandy - actually positive but wary that she is too eager sometimes to please everyone and will be dictated to by the PLP, still know some who are considering her.
Long-Bailey - popular with the staunch lefties, but old heads also wary that she is already being castigated and demonised from the press and it won't get any better, maybe too soon for her but still well liked.
Starmer- saying the right things and his history is of decent socialist upbringing and compassionate work as a lawyer all have said if honest the most electable, but some wary that all this talk hides his more new labour beliefs.
Overall all have said it ain't about whose the most leftie, but who will get labour back in contention and they are gonna vote on that as in the end conference and the NEC still have a sway in labours direction
I expecct starmer to win, I admit for me it is between nandy/Long-bailey/starmer but will wait for the campaigns before deciding.
As for deputy, Angela raynor for me, and most mates, burgon is the choice of the unions and some on the left, but I just cannot vote for the clown.
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Is Clive laughing at you there mate?
We're all laughing, happy and handsome!
Fame Monster
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Good news for the Labour Party that Lewis has been eliminated. His politics were roundly rejected in 2019.
Looking at some of the candidates for deputy PM though, it's still in a very bad place. Burgon, Butler and Lavery all in with a shout.
I don't know where these fears are that Starmer is too right-wing, he seems well on the left of the Labour Party to me. If I was a Labour member, I'd vote Nandy but I think her perceived social-class is her biggest problem in getting elected (in a GE) whereas Starmer probably comes across as being sufficiently posh for the middle-Englanders to vote for him so backing him might not be a bad idea for the Corbynistas.
Looking at some of the candidates for deputy PM though, it's still in a very bad place. Burgon, Butler and Lavery all in with a shout.
I don't know where these fears are that Starmer is too right-wing, he seems well on the left of the Labour Party to me. If I was a Labour member, I'd vote Nandy but I think her perceived social-class is her biggest problem in getting elected (in a GE) whereas Starmer probably comes across as being sufficiently posh for the middle-Englanders to vote for him so backing him might not be a bad idea for the Corbynistas.
I hope to fuck that Brexit isn't still clouding our political leanings come the next election!
I’m hoping it’s dead and buried by then as a topic for us to focus all of our energy on.
I’d vote for Labour under Starmer, policies dependent, which I suppose is quite a big thing but you know.
Gabriel
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Clive Lewis only mustered 5 votes. Was he misreading signals when sounding people out about running?
How did he vote against Brexit? Do you mean he voted against a different Brexit agreement to the one people voted for at the GE?He may have said that, However he still managed to alienate himself just a bit further from the voting public that he now hopes to win over by voting against Brexit yet again last week. Leopards and spots spring to mind.
But when Brexit does start to look a mistake (and most Labour voters think it already does) how would it look to have gone along with it?I can't see any of these people winning a GE for the simple reason that they are all far too associated with the last failed attempt. Also did any of them vote for Johnson's Brexit deal? Still not cottoned on to that little issue either then? still a student protest movement.
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As long as he's just leading a protest movement no doubt you will be happy. You really dont get it do you. ? Labour needs to move rapidly to the centre ground and leave the crazy left wing politics at home. Otherwise the country will never have a decent opposition let alone an alternative for government.But when Brexit does start to look a mistake (and most Labour voters think it already does) how would it look to have gone along with it?
As long as he's just leading a protest movement no doubt you will be happy. You really dont get it do you. ? Labour needs to move rapidly to the centre ground and leave the crazy left wing politics at home. Otherwise the country will never have a decent opposition let alone an alternative for government.
Don't think it matters if you're left, right or centre. People are pro and anti-Brexit of all persuasions.
greasedupdeafguy
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God awful the quality of candidates.
Ive never even seen Long-Bailey do a speech without reading from a piece of paper in front her.
Nandy seems a respectable politician, at least recognised her constituency voted leave unlike the majority of Labour MPs. Starmer should walk it though.
Ive never even seen Long-Bailey do a speech without reading from a piece of paper in front her.
Nandy seems a respectable politician, at least recognised her constituency voted leave unlike the majority of Labour MPs. Starmer should walk it though.
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Just read through the list of who nominated whom from the PLP
Phillips is fucked, backed by all the bellends the membership dislike, I cannot see where she will get support.
Long-bailey backed by all the left wingers.
Corbyn hasn't nominated anyone
Phillips is fucked, backed by all the bellends the membership dislike, I cannot see where she will get support.
Long-bailey backed by all the left wingers.
Corbyn hasn't nominated anyone
10/10 for that.Just read through the list of who nominated whom from the PLP
Phillips is fucked, backed by all the bellends the membership dislike, I cannot see where she will get support.
Long-bailey backed by all the left wingers.
Corbyn hasn't nominated anyone
I'm the type of voter that Labour need to attract if they'e any hope of getting back in to power.
For me, Kier Starmer is their best bet by a country mile.
Something about Starmer irks - but compared to Corbyn he comes across as a real statesman
I am another that Labour need to get back - and I expect them to confirm more wilderness years by selecting RLB
George Hannah
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Nandy is the only candidate worth backing.
Scottyboi
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Nandy for me too I like the cut of her gib.