Keir Starmer

The perfect fumble said:
Wouldn't it be better if Starmer led the country rather than Johnson?

Wouldn't it be better if Biden led America rather than Trump?

When did you stop beating your wife?
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The answer to both questions is undoubtedly yes.

Or maybe you think it's better the lunatics continue to run the show.

Oh and for the record I don't beat my wife nor do I enable a politician who would conspire to beat up a journalist and quite possibly might endorse said practice.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
He shouldnt have got tested, unless he had symptoms. I read that he stated he had no symptoms. So effectively he used a test that someone else needed just so he didnt have to self isolate for 14 days. l expected better of him. imagine the uproar if it was a cabinet member who abused the system like he has.
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He didnt get tested. His daughter did. Your outrage is unnecessary
 
dave_blue12 said:
Whilst not endorsing your view, I cannot believe that you cannot see it would be an improvement from where we are now.

The problem with radical policies is that they upset the super rich people who then use all their power in the media to make sure whoever proposes them has no chance of being elected.

I learned a long time ago to deal with the world as it is not how you wish it would be.
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I will still vote for labour mind. Although I feel like voters in the US election. I have the choice between Rat Poison and a Tuna Melt. I don't like Tuna but if I have to have it...
 
dave_blue12 said:
The answer to both questions is undoubtedly yes.

Or maybe you think it's better the lunatics continue to run the show.

Oh and for the record I don't beat my wife nor do I enable a politician who would conspire to beat up a journalist and quite possibly might endorse said practice.
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They are all examples of loaded questions.

They contain information that you want confirmed rather than a question that tries to get at the true answer.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Whilst I understand that the location of an extreme can be a matter of perspective I am struggling to see Starmer as an extremist.
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Another loaded question, I didn't imply Starmer was an extremist and did not suggest that was the reason you should despise him.

You don't have to be an extremist to believe...

"it's their way or the highway"

Your view of moderate is moderate in all things, it ain't.
 
dave_blue12 said:
For fuck sake some of you people need to learn to read.

Sir Keir wrote on Twitter: "I'm very pleased and relieved that the test result for one of my children came back negative this morning.

"Thank you to the NHS hospital where my wife works for ensuring that their staff and family members have quick access to a test."
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dont do twitter like you youngsters
 
dave_blue12 said:
You seem to be intent on playing games.

I'll leave you to your socialist dreamworld.
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If you go over to the Trump/Biden threads you see the same loaded question all the time, anyone who is not 100% supportive of Biden is always asked the question "then who do you want Biden or Trump?" to which the only answer can be Biden, if anyone deviates from this they're accused of being fuckwits. Similarly if you ask most people in here "who would you rather have Starmer or Johnson" most people will say Starmer and if you deviate, as I did, you get accused of extremism.

But the reply to these loaded questions is entirely dictated by the nature of the question, as I posted earlier they are...

"examples of loaded questions.

They contain information that you want confirmed rather than a question that tries to get at the true answer."

When you didn't get confirmation from me, you accused of being in a socialist dreamworld and playing games. I then replied that you didn't know what a loaded question was and didn't know shit from Shinola and the conversation came to an end.

This place is chock full of posters who post only to get confirmation of what they believe, I'm not accusing you of being one, but you behaved as such in our conversation.

I'm no angel but I try to steer away from loaded questions, they are a dead end and a sure fire way to drive the conversation in to the ground, because that's what they do.
 
mat said:
I will still vote for labour mind. Although I feel like voters in the US election. I have the choice between Rat Poison and a Tuna Melt. I don't like Tuna but if I have to have it...
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Why encourage the neo-liberal metro middle class centrist FBFE crowd to think they know best? They fucked the party up before and took it away from its Socialist roots, they will do it again with their EU and cultural obsessions, they hate the working class just as much as the Tories. They don't give two fucks about the working class in the North all they care about is there three week stay in their Tuscan villa, who serves them latte and do Waitrose stock granola whilst waving EU flags so little Timothy and Penelope can go inter railing during their public school holidays. Their idea of Socialism is what they do in a wine bar drinking the latest Italian shiraz and Spanish merlot whilst chatting about how handsome Blair was and what a lovely war Iraq was.

Marx is what Penelope takes before running for the school athletics team and Bevan is a form of bed they used at Ampleforth boarding school. Atlee is where they plan to have their granny flat and they have a secret longing for Thatcher memorabilia and love the Queen's corgis as they one called Mandleson. They like to give charity especially help for the homeless but will step over and snigger at them on the streets because they block the doorways to their favourite vintage arts shops, they read the Guardian and love rugger. The working class are oiks who are thick and wear clogs and flat caps, drive Hillman imps, Penny Farthings or horse drawn carriages which block them from taking Timothy and Penelope to Oboe class in their top of the range Porsche 4x4 SUVs Greggs is a place they wouldn't be seen dead in as they prefer Waitrose New Zealand lamb and spinach pastries and pubs are full of loud mouthed uncouth neanderthals who cant read and write or speak properly.

Everybody who voted for Brexit is a racist as they have friends from France who they met at a chateau who were sun tanned and they were nice people and the other black people they have seen are miners on the TV after they finished a shift at Orgreave just before the Police attacked them for being working class oiks and demanding a pay rise.

Timothy and Penelope plan to be Labour MPs under Starmer and will be parachuted into a safe Labour seat they have never heard off or visited in preference to the local Union leader who has fought for workers rights for half a century. First though they will do the obligatory Politics, Philosophy, Economics degree at Oxford and achieve a 2-2 degree before daddy uses his company to fund Starmer's campaign for re-election against those awful Lefties thus guarenteing an internship with a Labour MP who should be a Tory because go back to line 1, rinse and repeat. rinse and repeat.
 
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