Keir Starmer

Fame Monster said:
I could understand if I wasn't supporting my arguments with publicly available facts (not endorsing everything that GnasherJew said as antisemitism) and basic logic but I am so it sounds like you've lost your temper as @perfectfumble did over Corbyn and the Labour Party because they're things close to your heart and you don't like hearing people criticise them.

Maybe you're having a bad day so I'm not gonna bother trading insults with you and ruining the thread for other people.
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Quick question seeing as you like your facts. Do you think any of the previous 5 British PM's have supported any terrorist organisations more than Corbyn supported Hamas and the IRA?
 
Corbyn going balls out to rightfully have his day in court.

He's got Starmer by the bollocks. All texts, emails and conversations recorded where a negotiation was agreed to allow Corbyn to return as a Labour MP.

He doesn't want to destroy Labour, he wants to save it. The Tory press will go blind wanking over the evidence if it was other way around.

Expect another tide of false allegations against Corbyn in the next few weeks. Jon Mann is on speed dial to Sky.
 
mat said:
Corbyn going balls out to rightfully have his day in court.

He's got Starmer by the bollocks. All texts, emails and conversations recorded where a negotiation was agreed to allow Corbyn to return as a Labour MP.

He doesn't want to destroy Labour, he wants to save it. The Tory press will go blind wanking over the evidence of it was other way around.

Expect another tide of false allegations against Corbyn in the next few weeks. Jon Mann is on speed dial to Sky.
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The right wing media are fully in support of Starmer, but what they're really doing is painting him in to a corner.

I don't have a handle on this.

if Starmer is really all about destroying the party, fucking off the unions and their money and supplanting them with corporate donors, replacing Labour with a Clinton Democratic party, New Labour Part II and so on and so forth, then he's doing a great job. If that's not his aim then he's weak and he's dropped an almighty bollock.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
The right wing media are fully in support of Starmer, but what they're really doing is painting him in to a corner.

I don't have a handle on this.

if Starmer is really all about destroying the party, fucking off the unions and their money and supplanting them with corporate donors, replacing Labour with a Clinton Democratic party, New Labour Part II and so on and so forth, then he's doing a great job. If that's not his aim then he's weak and he's dropped an almighty bollock.
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I suspect that’s his plan.

The trade unions seem to be getting their heads together to coordinate something. All a bit need to know according to my executive member.
 
Fame Monster said:
A couple of pages ago you were asking for evidence of his antisemitism and this is how you act when people provide you with it?

I think you're the one who's out of their depth if you're gonna have a tantrum when people drag your head from out the sand and make you see the evidence.

Just a thought: maybe forums aren't for you?
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Funny isn't it. The posters who make great play of being "anti-racist" call Collier, smeone who did as much as anyone to expose racism in the Labour Party, a "fascist troll". Tells you everything you need to know.

If Davy Crockett had defended the Alamo with as much passion as our "anti-racists" are defending a provable racist, he'd have won a resounding victory.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Funny isn't it. The posters who make great play of being "anti-racist" call Collier, smeone who did as much as anyone to expose racism in the Labour Party, a "fascist troll". Tells you everything you need to know.

If Davy Crockett had defended the Alamo with as much passion as our "anti-racists" are defending a provable racist, he'd have won a resounding victory.
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I suppose everyone is guilty of picking and choosing which sources support their own view and denouncing the rest.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Tells you everything you need to know.
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Vic said:
Pinochet killed more than any terrorist group. Thatcher's chum.
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That's certainly a good example. Corbyn as a prospective PM seems to be held to account more for his words than actual PM's are for their deeds. Not so long since we were shaking hands with Qaddafi in his tent and rolling out the red carpet for Assad either.
 
hilts said:
Not really most of them weren’t even on here, although I absolutely believe that you haven’t seen anything on here it does seem strange. Also strange you have seen these things in the papers as you stated but didn’t look into them, I guess as you said nonsense you just discarded them all. I’m glad you aren’t my lawyer it’s a terrible case you are attempting to make.

We all await your unbiased findings once you have managed to use the search function on Google.

I wish you well on your journey of discovery and a good flight back home:-)
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Your Martian analogy isn't far off. Every morning i check the headlines of the daily papers. Then i check the bbc site for 10 minutes before turning to the footy news.
There's fuck all 'strange' about not wanting to pore over bad news after bad news or heavyweight topics. I have enough shit to deal with in my life as it is.
There's even less strange about not visiting every fucking thread on bluemoon. Ten minutes on a trump, brexit or matchday thread is enough to wear me out..
Now, what's this google you speak of?
 
stonerblue said:
Your Martian analogy isn't far off. Every morning i check the headlines of the daily papers. Then i check the bbc site for 10 minutes before turning to the footy news.
There's fuck all 'strange' about not wanting to pore over bad news after bad news or heavyweight topics. I have enough shit to deal with in my life as it is.
There's even less strange about not visiting every fucking thread on bluemoon. Ten minutes on a trump, brexit or matchday thread is enough to wear me out..
Now, what's this google you speak of?
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Google gives you the power to be an expert on any subject or least pretend to be:-)
 
Rascal said:
Gnasher jew is a fascist troll.

There is a fact for you. Yet you use him as some sort of stand up figure.

David Collier is Gnasher Jew, he is friends with Britain First activists and the EDL and is a Neo-Nazi sympathiser with links to South African white supremacist groups.

What Gnasher Jew says are facts are trolling. Look on online about him. The man is an utter ****.


I am sick of having to defend accusations made by trolls. A lot of what PB posted yesterday can be deconstructed and shown to be false. I spent 4 hours yesterday going through his post and researching what he had posted because i wanted to know what was fact and what was fiction because i am not antisemitic and i am against all forms of racism and discrimination and it saddens me to think people who are not these things being accused of it.

One of the accusations against a person had a Rabbi from Aberystwyth university who teaches about Judaism replying there is no way he was antisemitic.

Another accusation got Corbyn mixed up with his brother.

The mural, the painter himself said the painting was about capitalism and privilige and had no antisemitic intent.

I could go on, but the problem is if i do go on, i will be labelled antisemitic because i am denying or excusing its existence.

It is a systematic closing down of the left wing in this country. If we can not reply because of fear of accusation from organisations like the CAA (have you seen the charges they accuse people of?) then that threatens democratic discourse, which brings me back to Gnasher Jew the fascist. He wants to end democracy because he is a fascist twat and his poison has helped destroy many peoples reputations based on a pack of lies. Which brings me back to the point i made about the ETIHAD. If these lies are told often enough they become the truth.
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Good work.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's certainly a good example. Corbyn as a prospective PM seems to be held to account more for his words than actual PM's are for their deeds. Not so long since we were shaking hands with Qaddafi in his tent and rolling out the red carpet for Assad either.
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I keep meaning to see if there's anything released in the archives after 30 years into how much we knew about the impending Iraqi attack on the Burmah Endeavour (when we were on Saddam's side v. Iran). The Iraqi authorities warned the Foreign Office of an impending attack on the British registered "Burmah Endeavour" (with some British seamen on board) and other ships used in Iran to store oil but the warning was not passed on to the ship.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Funny isn't it. The posters who make great play of being "anti-racist" call Collier, smeone who did as much as anyone to expose racism in the Labour Party, a "fascist troll". Tells you everything you need to know.

If Davy Crockett had defended the Alamo with as much passion as our "anti-racists" are defending a provable racist, he'd have won a resounding victory.
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I don't know who Collier is tbh but he could be a fascist troll or the devil himself and it wouldn't make a difference to whether Corbyn is antisemitic or not.

The only thing of relevance on here that I've seen in defence of one aspect of Corbyn's behaviour is that the person who made the mural didn't intend it to be antisemitic but I've also seen this quote from the artist that makes me question that:

“some of the older white Jewish folk in the local community had an issue with me portraying their beloved #Rothschild or #Warburg etc as the demons they are”.

So I can't say I'm convinced.
 
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