Keir Starmer

Further to the above from Survation.

Is Labour moving in the right or wrong direction

All members
Right 55%
Wrong 40%

Income above 40K
Right 65%
wrong 30%

Income below £20K

Right 40%
Wrong 55%

Voted for Starmer 2020

Right 80%
Wrong 16%

Voted for RLB 2020

Right 2%
Wrong 95%

2019 manifesto broadly correct or wrong

Voted Starmer 2020

Correct 64%
Wrong 18%

Voted RLB 2020

Correct 98%
Wrong 2%

The current member of the Shadow Cabinet with highest net rating is Ed Miliband
 
Rascal said:
Further to the above from Survation.

Is Labour moving in the right or wrong direction

All members
Right 55%
Wrong 40%

Income above 40K
Right 65%
wrong 30%

Income below £20K

Right 40%
Wrong 55%

Voted for Starmer 2020

Right 80%
Wrong 16%

Voted for RLB 2020

Right 2%
Wrong 95%

2019 manifesto broadly correct or wrong

Voted Starmer 2020

Correct 64%
Wrong 18%

Voted RLB 2020

Correct 98%
Wrong 2%

The current member of the Shadow Cabinet with highest net rating is Ed Miliband
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Looking at Starmer’s pledges on his website there isn’t that much of a deviation from the left, as one may think.

There’s still a heavy focus on nationalising some industry.

It’s not much different from Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto.
 
Tbh, as much as I'm ambivalent about Keith, I don't think politics needs opposition for opposition's sake like what we saw under Corbyn.

If he broadly agrees with the tier system, I don't think there's the need to oppose it.
 
Rascal said:
Further to the above from Survation.

Is Labour moving in the right or wrong direction

All members
Right 55%
Wrong 40%

Income above 40K
Right 65%
wrong 30%

Income below £20K

Right 40%
Wrong 55%

Voted for Starmer 2020

Right 80%
Wrong 16%

Voted for RLB 2020

Right 2%
Wrong 95%

2019 manifesto broadly correct or wrong

Voted Starmer 2020

Correct 64%
Wrong 18%

Voted RLB 2020

Correct 98%
Wrong 2%

The current member of the Shadow Cabinet with highest net rating is Ed Miliband
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You missed off

Views on Jeremy Corbyn’s response to the EHRC report
Positive31%
Negative 58%


I can't access the full data but what proportion of the party's members are on less than £20,000 pa? (Is that household or person?) More to the point ("the many not the few") how many voters are on less than £20,000 pa? I'll put it simply - you can't win UK elections just on the votes of the poor - (a) there's not enough of them, and that's a good thing, and (b) for various reasons, they are less likely to vote. Other than charity, there is only one way to help the poor in Britain - never ever elect a Tory government.
 
Vic said:
You missed off

Views on Jeremy Corbyn’s response to the EHRC report
Positive31%
Negative 58%


I can't access the full data but what proportion of the party's members are on less than £20,000 pa? (Is that household or person?) More to the point ("the many not the few") how many voters are on less than £20,000 pa? I'll put it simply - you can't win UK elections just on the votes of the poor - (a) there's not enough of them, and that's a good thing, and (b) for various reasons, they are less likely to vote. Other than charity, there is only one way to help the poor in Britain - never ever elect a Tory government.
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No idea, i was simply posting the poll results

The first part from Labour list is far more interesting than the survation one and i didnt see the EHRC part/

The most interesting thing is that Ed Miliband has the highest positive net rating. Shame he cant be PM as he cant eat a bacon butty properly, if only he had learnt how to do that and his dad wasn't the man who hated Britain.
 
Rascal said:
No idea, i was simply posting the poll results

The first part from Labour list is far more interesting than the survation one and i didnt see the EHRC part/

The most interesting thing is that Ed Miliband has the highest positive net rating. Shame he cant be PM as he cant eat a bacon butty properly, if only he had learnt how to do that and his dad wasn't the man who hated Britain.
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What about the polls that show labour ahead of the tories for the first time in years? Corbyn was an electoral disaster - RLB was rejected as a leader as she just offered more of the same. The majority of labor members want a Party that can win elections and Starmer is heading in the right direction.

 
Rascal said:
Further to the above from Survation.

Is Labour moving in the right or wrong direction

All members
Right 55%
Wrong 40%

Income above 40K
Right 65%
wrong 30%

Income below £20K

Right 40%
Wrong 55%

Voted for Starmer 2020

Right 80%
Wrong 16%

Voted for RLB 2020

Right 2%
Wrong 95%

2019 manifesto broadly correct or wrong

Voted Starmer 2020

Correct 64%
Wrong 18%

Voted RLB 2020

Correct 98%
Wrong 2%

The current member of the Shadow Cabinet with highest net rating is Ed Miliband
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Are these all categories of Labour members? Or is it the country as a whole?
 
Gaudion M said:
What about the polls that show labour ahead of the tories for the first time in years? Corbyn was an electoral disaster - RLB was rejected as a leader as she just offered more of the same. The majority of labor members want a Party that can win elections and Starmer is heading in the right direction.

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The "moderates" claimed they would be at least 10 points ahead. 2 points ahead of the worst government in living memory is hardly a ringing endorsement of Keith's Party.
 
Not quite sure why around 50 Labour MPs are campaigning to stop the deportation of serious criminals now that the ones who came to this country as a child have been removed from the list. Even worse, they're trying to conflate it with Windrush - the deportation of law-abiding British citizens! That same bloc of Labour MPs, that seem to go against the grain of the vast majority of the country on every single issue, need to be turfed out by Starmer if he wants to end Labour's 14 years in oblivion.
 
Fame Monster said:
Not quite sure why around 50 Labour MPs are campaigning to stop the deportation of serious criminals now that the ones who came to this country as a child have been removed from the list. Even worse, they're trying to conflate it with Windrush - the deportation of law-abiding British citizens! That same bloc of Labour MPs, that seem to go against the grain of the vast majority of the country on every single issue, need to be turfed out by Starmer if he wants to end Labour's 14 years in oblivion.
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I don't know the full circumstances behind this, but it is also supported by the Lib Dems.

The issue is that many of those who are being deported have been here since they were children and are British citizens plus they will be leaving their children behind and as a result splitting up families which apparently is against the ruling of the EHRC on Windrush which found that the Home office broke the Law. I personally don't see how you can deport people who are British citizens, that sets a pretty dangerous precedent and endangers all of us.

The other issue is covid, Jamaica apparently can not guarentee that any deportee's will be housed in a safe environment and as BAME people are 4 times more likely to catch covid that is a risk not only to the deportee's but also to the flight crew taking them out.


These flights have been happening for a while now as i know some cabin crew who have been working the flights but this one in particular is about leaving kids behind.

I have no problem at all with foreign criminals being deported, it is the right and proper thing to do, but deporting British citizens to me is dangerous. If Priti Patel gets caught speeding or taking coke will she be deported to Uganda. If i get caught showing my arse to Michael Gove will i be deported to Outer Mongolia. If you Mr Monster gets caught trying to look up a girls skirt with a mirror on your shoe would you happy to be deported to Bhutan.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Nope, still there https://antisemitism.org/politics/labour/angela-rayner/
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As I’ve said, it is very humorous Starmer and Raynor are now on the offensive about antisemitism and are trying to be seen as those to rescue the party from it, despite them being very senior in the party since 2015 and Raynor having her own controversies. Starmer pretending to be shocked at the report as if he’s just become leader off the street and wasn’t there.

That said, it is a good thing they’re taking a heavy hand against it.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Nope, still there https://antisemitism.org/politics/labour/angela-rayner/
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There will be no end to it. The more the party acquiesce the more the CAA will demand.

I don't think this is about antisemitism anymore, it is about the destruction of the Labour party and the nullification of the left.

It has already succeeded in closing down any form of debate in CLPs aided and abetted by the Gen Sec. It is authoritarianism and if it was happening to the anti cancel culture right they would be at war with them, but Labour can't because of Starmer's stupidity in allowing the breaking of the EHRC recommendations on political interference.
 
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