Keir Starmer

He sounded and acted more like a PM than the current one today.

That's not hard mind.
 
Starmer speaking the CBI this afternoon.

The contrast between him and Boris is stark.

Announcing policies such as digital education from starting school to children. Offering what the CBI wanted for the skills shortage. Showing leadership over taking the piss. To make the world want to negotiate with serious leaders.

As soon as you could hear members agreeing Sky cut off from it.

The internal party fighting is an easy smokescreen to send out a media narrative. Rather than them ignoring Starmer and cut and paste his speeches to fit their news reports.

Sir Keir was speaking to his audience today. The one he wants to vote for him. And it showed.
 
mat said:
Starmer speaking the CBI this afternoon.

The contrast between him and Boris is stark.

Announcing policies such as digital education from starting school to children. Offering what the CBI wanted for the skills shortage. Showing leadership over taking the piss. To make the world want to negotiate with serious leaders.

As soon as you could hear members agreeing Sky cut off from it.

The internal party fighting is an easy smokescreen to send out a media narrative. Rather than them ignoring Starmer and cut and paste his speeches to fit their news reports.

Sir Keir was speaking to his audience today. The one he wants to vote for him. And it showed.
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Heard some of it - sounded like an outline of several areas to address, all of which seemed important to business. Skills, Brexit issues, rates.

Came over very well, I thought.
 
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Until most of the media get on board with him he's pissing in the wind however credible he is.

Blair won over the populist press in the 90s and Starmer needs to do the same however much it goes against Labour's principles. Principles without power is pointless.
 
west didsblue said:
Until most of the media get on board with him he's pissing in the wind however credible he is.

Blair won over the populist press in the 90s and Starmer needs to do the same however much it goes against Labour's principles. Principles without power is pointless.
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Blair has charisma. He won over the media with it. Starmer does have a personality under there and it needs to come out more. He might then start making waves through cutting a Tory majority.
 
Rascal said:
Power without principles is aimless.
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I thought power without principles was part of the Tory manifesto.

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
― George Orwell, 1984
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Sounds like he has to me

keirstarmer.com

Keir Starmer - MP for Holborn and St Pancras and Labour Leader

Keir Starmer is a husband, father, and former lawyer who has fought for fairness his whole working life. He is now Labour Party leader.
keirstarmer.com keirstarmer.com
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Do keep up

the-free-press.co.uk

Keir Starmer’s 10 Socialist Pledges: Forensic Gaslighting?

It’s just over a year since Keir Starmer swept to victory in the 2020 Labour Party leadership election. Front and centre of his campaign were 10 Socialist Pledges, a commitment to progressive…
the-free-press.co.uk the-free-press.co.uk

Or just listen to the man himself

www.independent.co.uk

Starmer: I’m ready to break pledges to make Labour electable

Keir Starmer has said he is willing to tear up the promises he made during the Labour leadership election if it is needed to make the party electable.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

So all that remains is the pursuit of power but to what end? Forgive me for wanting something better than ' at least it's not the Tories '.
 
Postman Pep said:
So all that remains is the pursuit of power but to what end? Forgive me for wanting something better than ' at least it's not the Tories '.
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and who/what is better ?

we had a 'real' socialist in Corbyn and he couldn't get Labour to power

we've got a more moderate center left leader in Starmer and he won't be good enough to please the socialist left

so who's the person to get the Torys out of power ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
and who/what is better ?

we had a 'real' socialist in Corbyn and he couldn't get Labour to power

we've got a more moderate center left leader in Starmer and he won't be good enough to please the socialist left

so who's the person to get the Torys out of power ?
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Standing by and making strong arguments for the pledges he was elected on .... The ones you presented as a gotcha to Rascal for suggesting he had no principles.

Yes I am aware of that.

Your usual lazy narrative again

Rupert Murdoch? Sorry can't answer that question seriously we're back to power without principles again.

If the ultimate goal is to effectively get the Tories out of power the only Labour MP that has come up with anything is Clive Lewis. He proposed a cross party progressive alliance to unseat Tories get a majority and get rid of the 2 party system.

Above all I'm far from convinced that trying to recreate the glory years of the late 90s early 00s is a winning strategy ... the world has moved on. All a bit raggish for me. I wonder if Keith has the balls to park in Mandelsons car park space?
 
Postman Pep said:
If the ultimate goal is to effectively get the Tories out of power the only Labour MP that has come up with anything is Clive Lewis. He proposed a cross party progressive alliance to unseat Tories get a majority and get rid of the 2 party system.
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Good to see another proposal, but I'm sure he would get the same old treatment any Labour leader gets and would be vilified for this and that.
I have faith in Starmer, think he comes across as a decent honest party leader and puts Boris to the sword each and every time at PMQ's - but we shall see.
 
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