Keir Starmer

I thought he was very good today,didn’t get to carried away with the emotion of it . Measured and direct to the government.
 
mat said:
Corbyn lost by a few thousand votes In 2017.

So people wanted his policies. We've already gone around in circles about how he lost 2019.

He's gone now. We move on. But we should be moving on to the challenges of this century and not as a party where the front bench still has Britpop posters up in their bedroom, harking back to their nostalgic view of a world with St Tony riding the crest of the wave on the dick of two US presidents.
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A few thousand?
 
A57 the snake said:
I thought he was very good today,didn’t get to carried away with the emotion of it . Measured and direct to the government.
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He’s been having Johnson on toast for a while now and, like you say, lays into him without getting flustered when Johnson has some form of comeback. The way he does it puts Johnson on the ropes and you can see him visibly shaken, usually followed by some crazed outburst.
 
Weak weak weak again.
If he wants to show some opposition maybe stop rolling over to support every new dictat.
 
ctwrd said:
Weak weak weak again.
If he wants to show some opposition maybe stop rolling over to support every new dictat.
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seen as his the one pushing for restrictions before the government announces them - he’s not exactly going to oppose restrictions once the government finally decides to act.
 
Angela Rayner just stated that her and Starmer are hand-in-hand when it comes to getting rid of this government.

Good news after all the bollox spouted about division.
 
Vic said:
My understanding of the Overton window is that it just describes where we are, not how we got there. By definition, it is the boundaries of which policies are acceptable to the electorate.

Of course anyone can make the case for a policy outside the boundary, but "Sometimes politicians can move the Overton Window themselves by courageously endorsing a policy lying outside the window, but this is rare".

Too many of Corbyn's policies were outside the window - an election campaign is not the time to highlight how far outside you are. The most depressing moment of the last election campaign was an out-of-nowhere commitment to free broadband; however good an idea it might (or might not) have been, it was just another outside the window vote-loser.
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It is only by politicians pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable do we get to a place of acceptance.

Lets say a PM wants to get rid of the welfare state, that PM would start by removing a small part of the welfare state, say war pensions, that becomes acceptable, it is a small step to the overall goal, the window has moved slightly and incrementally towards the position the PM wants.

Corbyn probably missed this with his broadband commitment, he over promised on a position, if he had said we will reduce broadband costs incrementally with the end goal of free broadband at some unspecified point in the future, the window would move slightly towards free broadband.

Timing is key, after WW2 Labour had the chance to move the window leftwards because of the aftermath of war and could create the NHS etc. Since then the Tories have moved the window rightwards by small increments so we are now in a place where privatisation of the NHS is a real possibility. It has taken 70 years to do that.

Somebody famous whose name escapes me, possibly Friedman said something along the lines of using events as a means to make different policies. We are seeing this to some degree with covid as the Govt can get away with being more authoritarian with the peoples blessings. In effect they have moved the window hugely because of events.
 
Time for Starmer and Labour to step up the pressure on this feeble, corrupt, intellectually bereft Government. We deserve a fully functioning opposition that will hold these bastards to account and increasingly demonstrate that they have a vision and competence to govern in 2024. There is a lot to like in the high level statements of what Labour are about, but its time that more emphasis was put on the whats, hows and whens in the 2 years run up to the next general election.

We want a country that takes on the climate crisis and seizes the opportunities of the digital revolution, not one whose leaders duck the big challenges

We want a country that works for working people, with decent, well-paid jobs no matter where you live and where good businesses can thrive.

We want a country where people feel happy, safe and part of a close-knit community, with low levels of crime and proper support for victims.

We want a country with world-class public services that work for everyone right from the start, from the NHS to social care, children’s and youth services to housing.

We want a country where families come first, in all of their wonderful diversity, so Britain becomes the best place in the world to grow up and to grow old in.

We want a country that is self-confident on the world stage, with an international role that delivers for the British people while making our world safer.
Chris in London said:
Well, just off the top of my head, devolution in Wales and Scotland, the Human Rights Act, the Freedom of Information Act, the Good Friday Agreement (though that is hanging on by its fingertips I grant you), the ending of the sleaze that infected British politics in the 1990s, the beginning of movements towards cleaner energy and transport, the ordering of the most advanced aircraft carrier in the world.

Personally my view is that new Labour’s finest achievement was the introduction of working families tax credit, which did more for the redistribution of wealth via the tax and benefits system than any other Labour government.

It was of course the first thing the coalition abolished.
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I wonder if there will ever come a time when a party is brave enough to go with a big picture vision on what they want to achieve over say a decade. Establish the steps they need to build that vision, (albeit it may take a number of parliamentary terms) and communicate that to the electorate as part of a GE campaign. its the only way we will move forward to rebuild the infrastructure of the U.K., Social care, transport, energy/climate change.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Time for Starmer and Labour to step up the pressure on this feeble, corrupt, intellectually bereft Government. We deserve a fully functioning opposition that will hold these bastards to account and increasingly demonstrate that they have a vision and competence to govern in 2024. There is a lot to like in the high level statements of what Labour are about, but its time that more emphasis was put on the whats, hows and whens in the 2 years run up to the next general election.

We want a country that takes on the climate crisis and seizes the opportunities of the digital revolution, not one whose leaders duck the big challenges

We want a country that works for working people, with decent, well-paid jobs no matter where you live and where good businesses can thrive.

We want a country where people feel happy, safe and part of a close-knit community, with low levels of crime and proper support for victims.

We want a country with world-class public services that work for everyone right from the start, from the NHS to social care, children’s and youth services to housing.

We want a country where families come first, in all of their wonderful diversity, so Britain becomes the best place in the world to grow up and to grow old in.

We want a country that is self-confident on the world stage, with an international role that delivers for the British people while making our world safer.

I wonder if there will ever come a time when a party is brave enough to go with a big picture vision on what they want to achieve over say a decade. Establish the steps they need to build that vision, (albeit it may take a number of parliamentary terms) and communicate that to the electorate as part of a GE campaign. its the only way we will move forward to rebuild the infrastructure of the U.K., Social care, transport, energy/climate change.
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The message needs to get out there as Joe Public won’t be watching Starmer taking apart Johnson every week at pmqs. The media is in the conservative party’s back pocket with the likes of Peston and Kuenssberg peddling the governments lies and probably attending their illegal gatherings, they will keep the narrative of looney left going to scare people into not voting Labour.

When Blair won the last election in 1997 he got in bed with Murdoch, Labour unfortunately need to make this pact with devil and do it again. This Tory government is the equivalent of the rags, they can be as shit as they want but the media still wanks themselves silly over them.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Time for Starmer and Labour to step up the pressure on this feeble, corrupt, intellectually bereft Government. We deserve a fully functioning opposition that will hold these bastards to account and increasingly demonstrate that they have a vision and competence to govern in 2024. There is a lot to like in the high level statements of what Labour are about, but its time that more emphasis was put on the whats, hows and whens in the 2 years run up to the next general election.

We want a country that takes on the climate crisis and seizes the opportunities of the digital revolution, not one whose leaders duck the big challenges

We want a country that works for working people, with decent, well-paid jobs no matter where you live and where good businesses can thrive.

We want a country where people feel happy, safe and part of a close-knit community, with low levels of crime and proper support for victims.

We want a country with world-class public services that work for everyone right from the start, from the NHS to social care, children’s and youth services to housing.

We want a country where families come first, in all of their wonderful diversity, so Britain becomes the best place in the world to grow up and to grow old in.

We want a country that is self-confident on the world stage, with an international role that delivers for the British people while making our world safer.

I wonder if there will ever come a time when a party is brave enough to go with a big picture vision on what they want to achieve over say a decade. Establish the steps they need to build that vision, (albeit it may take a number of parliamentary terms) and communicate that to the electorate as part of a GE campaign. its the only way we will move forward to rebuild the infrastructure of the U.K., Social care, transport, energy/climate change.
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Asking for a full cost benefit analysis of restrictions might be a good place to start. Covid and the resultant actions have seen the biggest shift in wealth, from the poor to the rich in history. The working class have suffered more than anyone and the only thing Labour have done is criticise the Tories for not doing things faster, harder and for longer. No attempt to actually hold them to account or support the people who left them in droves in 2019.
It’s no coincidence that the people most affected by covid and the measures used are the same demographic who have the least life expectancy, the fewest life chances and are the least likely to be vaccinated. “Protect the NHS” is all well and good but I never hear Starmer explain why the NHS needs protecting (and it’s not because of Covid). Any kids aged under 7, born into the poorest parts of society, might as well chuck it in now, following the schools debacle of the last 2 years.
The Tories will rebel next week but, as long as Johnson has Starmer in his back pocket, it won’t matter a jot unfortunately.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Very true but if they’re at least doing it outwardly then there’s a start.
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Not really they are both Labour so wanting to get rid of the Tories is a given it’s hardly an Israel Palestine peace deal. If the left(as a general term) main desire was to get rid of the Tories and disregard personal gain for the benefit of the country the fuckers could have done so at the last election, and the one before and the one be......
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Asking for a full cost benefit analysis of restrictions might be a good place to start. Covid and the resultant actions have seen the biggest shift in wealth, from the poor to the rich in history. The working class have suffered more than anyone and the only thing Labour have done is criticise the Tories for not doing things faster, harder and for longer. No attempt to actually hold them to account or support the people who left them in droves in 2019.
It’s no coincidence that the people most affected by covid and the measures used are the same demographic who have the least life expectancy, the fewest life chances and are the least likely to be vaccinated. “Protect the NHS” is all well and good but I never hear Starmer explain why the NHS needs protecting (and it’s not because of Covid). Any kids aged under 7, born into the poorest parts of society, might as well chuck it in now, following the schools debacle of the last 2 years.
The Tories will rebel next week but, as long as Johnson has Starmer in his back pocket, it won’t matter a jot unfortunately.
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I really don’t think Johnson has Starmer in his back pocket but I wouldn’t argue with much of the other stuff you say. He needs to really focus his message and find a way to get it out there. He can’t rely on the media so he needs to find a way to reach people.
 
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