Keir Starmer

The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Asking for a full cost benefit analysis of restrictions might be a good place to start. Covid and the resultant actions have seen the biggest shift in wealth, from the poor to the rich in history. The working class have suffered more than anyone and the only thing Labour have done is criticise the Tories for not doing things faster, harder and for longer. No attempt to actually hold them to account or support the people who left them in droves in 2019.
It’s no coincidence that the people most affected by covid and the measures used are the same demographic who have the least life expectancy, the fewest life chances and are the least likely to be vaccinated. “Protect the NHS” is all well and good but I never hear Starmer explain why the NHS needs protecting (and it’s not because of Covid). Any kids aged under 7, born into the poorest parts of society, might as well chuck it in now, following the schools debacle of the last 2 years.
The Tories will rebel next week but, as long as Johnson has Starmer in his back pocket, it won’t matter a jot unfortunately.
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Johnson has nobody and nothing in his back pocket - this last week he has lost control of the narrative and is struggling to regain it. A disasterous result next week and he will be gone.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Johnson has nobody and nothing in his back pocket - this last week he has lost control of the narrative and is struggling to regain it. A disasterous result next week and he will be gone.
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Hope you’re right. He just seems Teflon somehow and I don’t think the Labour Party are attacking him enough, that’s all.
 
hilts said:
Not really they are both Labour so wanting to get rid of the Tories is a given it’s hardly an Israel Palestine peace deal. If the left(as a general term) main desire was to get rid of the Tories and disregard personal gain for the benefit of the country the fuckers could have done so at the last election, and the one before and the one be......
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You worried, pal?
 
Reporter: Are you asking for the PM to resign?

Keith: I believe he's unsuitable for the role and his own party members should decide.

Reporter: That's not what I asked you. Are you asking for the PM to resign?

Keith: That's up to his party members to decide...


Be careful of those splinters...

I think if he'd said yes he should resign he might see that mythical 20 point labour party lead.
 
mat said:
Reporter: Are you asking for the PM to resign?

Keith: I believe he's unsuitable for the role and his own party members should decide.

Reporter: That's not what I asked you. Are you asking for the PM to resign?

Keith: That's up to his party members to decide...


Be careful of those splinters...

I think if he'd said yes he should resign he might see that mythical 20 point labour party lead.
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And then he should fucking resign so we have a credible opposition when the inevitable happens!
 
mat said:
Reporter: Are you asking for the PM to resign?

Keith: I believe he's unsuitable for the role and his own party members should decide.

Reporter: That's not what I asked you. Are you asking for the PM to resign?

Keith: That's up to his party members to decide...


Be careful of those splinters...

I think if he'd said yes he should resign he might see that mythical 20 point labour party lead.
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I actually think Starmer is saying the right thing here. In that the party as a whole is responsible for where Johnson is and it's up to them to get rid of him. In other words Starmer is putting it in focus that Johnson is part of the party, not separate.
 
mat said:
Reporter: Are you asking for the PM to resign?

Keith: I believe he's unsuitable for the role and his own party members should decide.

Reporter: That's not what I asked you. Are you asking for the PM to resign?

Keith: That's up to his party members to decide...


Be careful of those splinters...

I think if he'd said yes he should resign he might see that mythical 20 point labour party lead.
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mackenzie said:
I actually think Starmer is saying the right thing here. In that the party as a whole is responsible for where Johnson is and it's up to them to get rid of him. In other words Starmer is putting it in focus that Johnson is part of the party, not separate.
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I think Starmer has played this quite nicely. I imagine this is going to get some replays over the next week.

 
mat said:
Why is Raynor toxic?

Oh yeah must be she's a strong Northern woman who's proud of her routes and not afraid to say what she thinks. Insecure men don't like that.

The "scum" argument is the go to for any right wing politico (This is not an attack on you. I have no idea of your political leanings) who are obsessed with that whilst giving their mates a free pass to fuck the country up.

Labour I hare to say it won't be re-elected regardless. People want a positive alternative to the Tories not a sad and tired Blair tribute act that Starmer is trying to create.

The Tories had their thatcherite obsession and that continues with their leaders until the savvy pig fucker cane along and used his PR experience to make electorate forget that she ever ran the country.

We have have a Tory government which are Blue UKIP more than traditional conservative and no credible opposition.

Corbyn scared them shitless and he was undone by blarites shit scared he was about to destroy St Tony's legacy.

So we're gonna get years of greater inequality blamed on invisible enemies whilst this government continues to be the reverse Robin Hood because Sir Keir can't bear to pull down his Tony Blair posters whilst chanting things can only get better.
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Sorry for the late reply - very busy week.

Look, I consider myself to be a pretty average bloke (insecure perhaps? I don't know) and to me Angela Rayner is toxic and not just because of the 'scum' comments. There was an interesting discussion in the threads following mine that went something like this:

If Labour return to Corbynism, or anything like, they are in the wilderness for decades.

If however, Keir Starmer holds his course to take Labour to the middle-ground, there is a chance (and it should be a good chance, given all the cock-ups from this clown Johnson) that he can win a General Election in '23 or '24. Only a 'New Labour' type re-boot will do it.

However, two things may stop him: 1) that the Tories are stealing Labour's clothes economically: who could have foreseen the Corona pandemic and the state help that was given as a result?

and 2) Angela Rayner.

I compare it to the OGS situation at Man Utd. in as much as towards the end many Utd. fans were saying if Ole really loves the club, he should stand aside for the good of its future. If Angela Rayner really wants to see Labour in power, she should do likewise & take a lower profile - much lower. KS can always bring her back after the victory, if he wishes.

Labour are 6 points ahead in the polls today, it should be 16 at least - something (or someone) is holding them back.

P.S. To say "Corbyn scared them shitless" is way off the mark, he only did well in 2017 because Theresa May was so utterly hopeless...
 
Jasonrobards83 said:
Sorry for the late reply - very busy week.

Look, I consider myself to be a pretty average bloke (insecure perhaps? I don't know) and to me Angela Rayner is toxic and not just because of the 'scum' comments. There was an interesting discussion in the threads following mine that went something like this:

If Labour return to Corbynism, or anything like, they are in the wilderness for decades.

If however, Keir Starmer holds his course to take Labour to the middle-ground, there is a chance (and it should be a good chance, given all the cock-ups from this clown Johnson) that he can win a General Election in '23 or '24. Only a 'New Labour' type re-boot will do it.

However, two things may stop him: 1) that the Tories are stealing Labour's clothes economically: who could have foreseen the Corona pandemic and the state help that was given as a result?

and 2) Angela Rayner.

I compare it to the OGS situation at Man Utd. in as much as towards the end many Utd. fans were saying if Ole really loves the club, he should stand aside for the good of its future. If Angela Rayner really wants to see Labour in power, she should do likewise & take a lower profile - much lower. KS can always bring her back after the victory, if he wishes.

Labour are 6 points ahead in the polls today, it should be 16 at least - something (or someone) is holding them back.

P.S. To say "Corbyn scared them shitless" is way off the mark, he only did well in 2017 because Theresa May was so utterly hopeless...
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Rayner has most Labour voters cringing I agree they will never get near downing Street with her mithering around, it sums it up that boris is boris but labour still have no chance. I think most folk are in a political wilderness right now
 
Jasonrobards83 said:
Sorry for the late reply - very busy week.

Look, I consider myself to be a pretty average bloke (insecure perhaps? I don't know) and to me Angela Rayner is toxic and not just because of the 'scum' comments. There was an interesting discussion in the threads following mine that went something like this:

If Labour return to Corbynism, or anything like, they are in the wilderness for decades.

If however, Keir Starmer holds his course to take Labour to the middle-ground, there is a chance (and it should be a good chance, given all the cock-ups from this clown Johnson) that he can win a General Election in '23 or '24. Only a 'New Labour' type re-boot will do it.

However, two things may stop him: 1) that the Tories are stealing Labour's clothes economically: who could have foreseen the Corona pandemic and the state help that was given as a result?

and 2) Angela Rayner.

I compare it to the OGS situation at Man Utd. in as much as towards the end many Utd. fans were saying if Ole really loves the club, he should stand aside for the good of its future. If Angela Rayner really wants to see Labour in power, she should do likewise & take a lower profile - much lower. KS can always bring her back after the victory, if he wishes.

Labour are 6 points ahead in the polls today, it should be 16 at least - something (or someone) is holding them back.

P.S. To say "Corbyn scared them shitless" is way off the mark, he only did well in 2017 because Theresa May was so utterly hopeless...
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Todays contribution from the Daily Mail who are now concerned Johnson and the Tory party may lose the next election.

Everything possible will be done to drag Labour rightwards, why? because the further right Labour go the less threat they are to the owners of capital, they just become a less Tory version of the current Tory party which given how far to the right the current Tory party are, it will mean Labour occupy ground to the right of centre and anything to the left of centre is further into the wilderness.

Large swathes of the electorate become unrepresented as the choice becomes a party of the right, a party of the further right and a party of the far right. That in effect makes the centre ground of UK politics the further right. The relentless move towards right wing politics continues apace and leftism disappears from the political discourse. The free market rules unopposed, the NHS is sold off, the introspection of natural Conservatism becomes the norm and the nation becomes a regressive hell hole of serfdom, poverty and exploitation. Its back to the dark ages, rights for by the working class fought for, for generations will disappear and the owners of capital will sit in their ivory towers laughing their fucking heads off at how gullible the British people have turned out to be.
 
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I love how raynor is being framed as strongly left wing (she isn't) and her regionilism is being the target of the attacks.

We are subliminary tought that well spoken, neutral accented, privately educated people will do whats best for us, and anyone who makes noise in a regional tone is unqualified and a danger.
 
urban genie said:
I love how raynor is being framed as strongly left wing (she isn't) and her regionilism is being the target of the attacks.

We are subliminary tought that well spoken, neutral accented, privately educated people will do whats best for us, and anyone who makes noise in a regional tone is unqualified and a danger.
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If anyone has time listen to this.

‎Full Disclosure with James O'Brien: Angela Rayner on Apple Podcasts

If this does not make you change your mind on her, then fair enough, but this is one of the most inspiring stories I have heard for a long time.
 
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urban genie said:
I love how raynor is being framed as strongly left wing (she isn't) and her regionilism is being the target of the attacks.

We are subliminary tought that well spoken, neutral accented, privately educated people will do whats best for us, and anyone who makes noise in a regional tone is unqualified and a danger.
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Or they are reacting to what she says and how she acts and you subliminary always resort to it must because someone’s northern or a woman or..........
everyone always thinks it’s the other poster whose political views clouds there judgement.
 
Rascal said:
If anyone has time listen to this.

‎Full Disclosure with James O'Brien: Angela Rayner on Apple Podcasts

If this does not make you change your mind on her, then fair enough, but this is one of the most inspiring stories I have heard for a long time.
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Not sure what you mean?

I have no negative opinion of her, and have been in her presence a few times and found her a sound and decent enough person.

She and burnham are the only local politician I have seen bother turning up for workers memorial day on town to their credit.

I think the slagging off of her pathetic tbh, only thing I said was she isn't as hard left as the press make out.
 
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hilts said:
Or they are reacting to what she says and how she acts and you subliminary always resort to it must because someone’s northern or a woman or..........
everyone always thinks it’s the other poster whose political views clouds there judgement.
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I never mentioned being northern.
There are many regions with accents outside the north too.

But tell me what is levelled against her when she is criticised other than being loud and northern.

If ot os that she used the word scum, well worse has been said in previous times by other politicians that never garnered such ott press.
 
urban genie said:
I never mentioned being northern.
There are many regions with accents outside the north too.

But tell me what is levelled against her when she is criticised other than being loud and northern.

If ot os that she used the word scum, well worse has been said in previous times by other politicians that never garnered such ott press.
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My views on her have been covered but thanks for informing me about other regions also having accents, it’s a learning curve.
 
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