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Keir Starmer
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Churchlawtonblue
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She could dance though!
Jesus wept. That is appalling.
BlueHammer85
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We don’t need charisma. We need competency and decency.
From whoever gets voted in.
Anyone that has ‘charisma’ gets slaughtered anyway
Alan Harper's Tash
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Everyone in the public eye gets slaughtered anyway. It’s the British way.Anyone that has ‘charisma’ gets slaughtered anyway
Saddleworth2
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Maybe. It’s a gamble though that he gains more than he loses.Delay is the order of the day
Don Karleone
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On a par with Corbyn who lost to May who had all the charisma of a corpse
Bit different.
The Future’s Blue!
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Maybe we need somebody less public and will get on with the job?Everyone in the public eye gets slaughtered anyway. It’s the British way.
Zuriblue
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Just a few thoughts about Keir Starmer's statement on the EU.
The EU would not, at the present time, accept an application from the UK to re-join either the EU itself, or just the Single Market. It has been a full two years since the UK ended the transistion period and formally left the EU, and the fact is that the UK has already diverged too far from EU economic and regulatory standards for either to be considered.
Alignment with EU standards is a formal pre-requisite for any future renewal renewal of the UK's EU membership, and David Lammy, and now Keir Starmer, have already outlined that greater alignment with the EU's standards will be the policy of a new Labour government.
It should not be forgotten that whatever Starmer announces now relates specifically to the next election, and the next (hopefully Labour)government. The absolutely overwhelming imperative at that election is evicting the Tory Party and returning Labour to government. Given that it would be literally impossible for the UK to re-join the EU or its single market during the next government, Starmer is absolutely correct to give a commitment that Labour will not do so.
This does NOT mean that Starmer is now "pro Hard Brexit", or "no different from the Tories" or any of the other idiotic ephithets I've seen being bandied about on social media or Bluemoon.
What it does do is clear the way for a future Labour government, having aligned the UK closely with EU standards in its first term, to begin a process that will eventually see the UK's EU membership restored, most probably in a second Labour term of government.
It may not be possible to disarm the Tories for the attacks that they will choose to make against Labour for seeking to re-join the EU, defy the "WiLl Of ThE pEoPlE!!!1!", or for not being trusted with Brexit - all potent weapons, as we have seen - but we can spike those particular guns.In the context of the overwhelming objective of removing Johnson's government at the next election, it is absolutely essential.
The EU would not, at the present time, accept an application from the UK to re-join either the EU itself, or just the Single Market. It has been a full two years since the UK ended the transistion period and formally left the EU, and the fact is that the UK has already diverged too far from EU economic and regulatory standards for either to be considered.
Alignment with EU standards is a formal pre-requisite for any future renewal renewal of the UK's EU membership, and David Lammy, and now Keir Starmer, have already outlined that greater alignment with the EU's standards will be the policy of a new Labour government.
It should not be forgotten that whatever Starmer announces now relates specifically to the next election, and the next (hopefully Labour)government. The absolutely overwhelming imperative at that election is evicting the Tory Party and returning Labour to government. Given that it would be literally impossible for the UK to re-join the EU or its single market during the next government, Starmer is absolutely correct to give a commitment that Labour will not do so.
This does NOT mean that Starmer is now "pro Hard Brexit", or "no different from the Tories" or any of the other idiotic ephithets I've seen being bandied about on social media or Bluemoon.
What it does do is clear the way for a future Labour government, having aligned the UK closely with EU standards in its first term, to begin a process that will eventually see the UK's EU membership restored, most probably in a second Labour term of government.
It may not be possible to disarm the Tories for the attacks that they will choose to make against Labour for seeking to re-join the EU, defy the "WiLl Of ThE pEoPlE!!!1!", or for not being trusted with Brexit - all potent weapons, as we have seen - but we can spike those particular guns.In the context of the overwhelming objective of removing Johnson's government at the next election, it is absolutely essential.
bluethrunthru
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Just listened to Rachel Reeves interviewed - its clear that their conclusion that Brexit was run and their Red Wall was lost solely because of ant-immigration type issues hence the Starmer conclusion on Brexit policy. She was parroting the same shit that has already failed us - getting British people doing the jobs seasonal workers did.
Nobody who is out of work ( few people are ) or are in a dead end job ( many are ) or just decided to leave the jobs market ( over a million people ) and living in say Hartlepool or Preston or Carlisle is going to commute where those jobs are like working the fields of East Anglia or working in orchards in the Vale of Evesham or picking fruit in the East of Scotland. And they wouldn't do that for a few months back breaking low paid work a year.
Nobody who is out of work ( few people are ) or are in a dead end job ( many are ) or just decided to leave the jobs market ( over a million people ) and living in say Hartlepool or Preston or Carlisle is going to commute where those jobs are like working the fields of East Anglia or working in orchards in the Vale of Evesham or picking fruit in the East of Scotland. And they wouldn't do that for a few months back breaking low paid work a year.
Magicpole
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Anybody else notice him standing in front of those Union Flags yesterday? Playing we are Tories too, but not as bad card. Labour and this utter **** are a joke. I actually dislike him more than fat boy. At least Fat Boy is a Tory ****. Starmer is the leader of the party set up to fight for the working class. Even if the plank does win, which he won’t, it will be a Tory Lite affair. And he can stick that right up his establishment owned arsehole.
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So you'd rather stick with the Tories?Anybody else notice him standing in front of those Union Flags yesterday? Playing we are Tories too, but not as bad card. Labour and this utter **** are a joke. I actually dislike him more than fat boy. At least Fat Boy is a Tory ****. Starmer is the leader of the party set up to fight for the working class. Even if the plank does win, which he won’t, it will be a Tory Lite affair. And he can stick that right up his establishment owned arsehole.
Magicpole
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No, I would rather get shot of both and go Indy. But, the lesser of two evils would be preferred if we don’t.So you'd rather stick with the Tories?
Nethermoor
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This is the thing. It's one or the other, and I'd rather have my dog in power than the Tories.No, I would rather get shot of both and go Indy. But, the lesser of two evils would be preferred if we don’t.
Alan Harper's Tash
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Not sure it’s possible to have a PM not in the public eye, sadly. It’d be far better in most ways.Maybe we need somebody less public and will get on with the job?
BlueHammer85
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superb as always
''is this the first recorded case of sinking ships deserting a Rat? '' hhaha
''is this the first recorded case of sinking ships deserting a Rat? '' hhaha
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Let's hope the superinjunction isn't true because he acted like a leader today, albeit not one I agree with politically.Fuck me Keith is on fire
Mr Kobayashi
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Let's hope the superinjunction isn't true because he acted like a leader today, albeit not one I agree with politically.
This is fantasy stuff mate. Can't envision there are any grounds for such an injunction to be granted.
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I agree.This is fantasy stuff mate. Can't envision there are any grounds for such an injunction to be granted.
Some Tories spreading shite to distract.
MillionMilesAway
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This is fantasy stuff mate. Can't envision there are any grounds for such an injunction to be granted.
It would seem implausible to cover up a police decision.
I also don't think he'd have given the speech yesterday if he was on his way out - tieing the hands of a successor would be pretty dim.