Postman Pep
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So many ironies in one post. You bemoan the left for insulting people and putting them into boxes and then call them all ideological snobs who are solely to blame for the state of the Labour Party because they are obsessed with socialism.The last thing the left need is further dilution of the left vote with yet another party. If they spent less time being ideological snobs rather than creating a new party - they might actually get somewhere. A great example of this left snobbery is how the left always cite those who don’t hold identical views that are far enough left as [insert insult here] - your post starts with that same tried and tested philosophy. I actually agree with the notion of nationalising our core infrastructure - yet I’m one of those centrist mugs. I have historically voted Tory, I accept there is no perfect party out there for me - I don’t disagree a new party would be great but not one wedded to political ideologies but one wedded to decency and common sense. The left seem so determined to want to discuss decades old ideologies and putting people into boxes they ignore the fact that very few voters fit those boxes. It’s like an Oxford Union debating society. Carry on, it’s intriguing to watch the left tear themselves apart about how left they are whilst simultaneously insulting the centrist/left leaning electorate.
Just on this point: The French government has increased its majority stake in the national energy enterprise EDF and thus is able to shield the French people from the speculators’ global energy cartel.
The french are largely powered with nuclear power - to cap energy bills at 4% has cost them around £8bn… our intervention so far has cost over £9bn. We are where we are, the French had the good sense to opt for nuclear in the late 70s when we had the last energy crisis… we didn’t, few did. Although they now face an expensive refit/replacement cycle which will cost between £400-500bn and the French government is now acquiring that obligation on behalf of the tax payers (assuming a program of 50% renewables and 50% nuclear). Ouch.
The only decades old ideology that is under the microscope here is neo-liberalism and it's failures are all around us with our crumbling infrastructure. Nationalisation has popular support, even amongst Conservatives such as yourself, so why is the supposed party of the left not embracing it ? Is the insane belief in market based solutions for everything not ideological purity?
If socialism was seen as the cause of the crisis of the 70's and had to be confined to the dustbin of history shouldn't neo-liberalism suffer the same fate for what we are facing today?
Also when it comes to insults 'centrist mug' is mild compared to those dished out by the likes of Reeves (scum) and Streeting (barnacles on the bottom of a boat) when describing the left.