Keir Starmer

Is it obligatory for any leader to mention Hillsborough when speaking in Liverpool?
 
Giving a good speech , talking faster which is an improvement , always makes me laugh when people say he is bland but truss has bags of personality apparantly
 
The perfect fumble said:
Back peddle, back peddle.

Take a look at the trajectory in those elections and ponder on his legacy.

You won't of course, I was going to say I live in hope, but I don't.
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The logic of that argument never made sense to me. "Losing" millions of votes was quoted so often by supporters of Jeremy Corbyn, but I'm amazed it's still used when Jeremy "lost" 2.6 million votes in just two years (I don't believe Corbyn "lost" the votes any more than Blair did).

Labour had a poll lead from the day he took over in 1994, until well after his final election victory in 2005 (apart from just a couple of weeks in 2000 when there were fuel protests, but even then he was back with double digit leads weeks later).

I'd suggest it's just as important to look at the Tory vote, which was decimated during that time. In 2017 Theresa May got 5 million more votes than Michael Howard did when Blair won his third election. The reason being that under Blair the elections weren't particularly hard fought - turnout was low because the government was pretty popular, and he was expected to win.

I know his legacy is tainted by Iraq (despite it being a popular decision at the time, and for some time after), and I'm not much of a fan of him as an individual, but I don't think any other leader of a political party post Labour's 1945 administration could come close to the list of domestic achievements that Blair had.

That list of New Labour achievements is pulled out regularly, but can any of the last four PMs even put together anything resembling a list between the lot of them?
 
Phil1 said:
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Blair and Blair alone who decided to take us to war.
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You’re quite correct mate. It was made possible as much by the votes of virtually every Tory mp, every Tory newspaper, every Tory radio shock-jock, and every Tory “political correspondent”, as well of course as by the establishment of this country.
 
kaz7 said:
Labour are trashed for not giving policies out but you complain when he does ?
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As all politicians do, promising the world but unlikely to deliver on any of it... talks the talk but wont walk the walk.

Example.... "Labour will deal with the cost of living crisis..." nice words, but how?

Britain will create more better paid jobs? How? Oh and don't the lesser jobs need doing?

All bollocks
 
BigJoe#1 said:
As all politicians do, promising the world but unlikely to deliver on any of it... talks the talk but wont walk the walk.

Example.... "Labour will deal with the cost of living crisis..." nice words, but how?

Britain will create more better paid jobs? How? Oh and don't the lesser jobs need doing?

All bollocks
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It's pretty obvious that in spite of you being a bit pissed off with Truss, at heart you're a Tory and come the election you'll find a reason to vote for them anyway, however badly they've fucked up in the meantime, so I'm not sure why you're even bothering listening to Starmer. At best you just won't bother voting.
 
west didsblue said:
It's pretty obvious that in spite of you being a bit pissed off with Truss, at heart you're a Tory and come the election you'll find a reason to vote for them anyway, however badly they've fucked up in the meantime, so I'm not sure why you're even bothering listening to Starmer. At best you just won't bother voting.
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If you live in South Wales and vote Tory (after all they've done for your nation, region, local area) then you probably need to go talk to a doctor.
 
west didsblue said:
It's pretty obvious that in spite of you being a bit pissed off with Truss, at heart you're a Tory and come the election you'll find a reason to vote for them anyway, however badly they've fucked up in the meantime, so I'm not sure why you're even bothering listening to Starmer. At best you just won't bother voting.
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Wrong. I listened to Starmer because I was hoping he would give hope and inspiration.

Beth Rigsby I think has asked the question that matters; "are Labour doing well because the Tories have messed up"? Yes, they have fucked up beyond the point of no return... still Labour do not do it for me?
 
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