Keir Starmer

The Future’s Blue! said:
Is it me or is it really hard to vote Labour because there are so many on here who hate the party?

Ot was naivety from me that thought anybody really cared so assumed the attacks were from the right. Never realised that Starmer could cause so much anger but now realise that nobody cares about Starmer, they will attack him him but will be happy if he gets the Tories out.
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Biggest disaster Tory majority
Second biggest disaster Labour majority

On a personal note anyone walking into a polling booth and not voting based on their beliefs is a fucking moron.

Unfortunately the country is full of them.
 
TinFoilHat said:
More and more we lurch to the right.

Anyone that cares and wants a better life for all is labeled a socialist as a slur.

"We need a leader for the centre"

Translates as I'm ok and I'm sympathetic to others suffering. However if that means it's effects my lifestyle you can get fucked.
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Centrists are prepared to give up just enough that clears their conscious. Any proper wealth reduction needs to be shunned on the basis of financial prudence.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Is it me or is it really hard to vote Labour because there are so many on here who hate the party?

It was naivety from me that thought anybody really cared so assumed the attacks were from the right. Never realised that Starmer could cause so much anger but now realise that nobody cares about Starmer, they will attack him him but will be happy if he gets the Tories out.
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Take no notice of anyone on here vote for who you want it's called democracy
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Is it me or is it really hard to vote Labour because there are so many on here who hate the party?

It was naivety from me that thought anybody really cared so assumed the attacks were from the right. Never realised that Starmer could cause so much anger but now realise that nobody cares about Starmer, they will attack him him but will be happy if he gets the Tories out.
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i can guarentee those on here presently labour or ex labour critical of starmer will have at some time spent a lot of time fighting and working hard for the party to suceed.

be it canvasing/door stepping
leafleting
attending rallys and meetings
fund raising
etc.

any time of year and any weather for the cause, some will have possibly voted for starmer as leader because of the pledges he made during his campaign.

so these are commited labour people over decades who have felt betrated by his lies and dupicity, his near stalinist purge of anyone who doesn't fit or voices opinions that differ to his, the cosying up to certain affiliates that are more right leaning economically and socially than labour should be.

personally once he appointed that awful slimely **** mandelson he lost any faith he wanted to heal party division or bring about a balanced labour agenda that will see less privatisation and focus on fixing communities and regenration of the north

So I won't be voting for Labour at national level, however I will vote for Burnham if he stands again, and if the next labour mayoral candidate is attuned to my belief in what I would want from them I will vote for them and I will continue to vote for my Local Councilors who are good labour people, blues and do all they can for my area.

This isn't about hating labour, it is about feeling abandoned by the national party and lied to and fooled.
 
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urban genie said:
i can can guarentee those on here presently labour or ex labour critical of starmer will have at some time spent a lot of time figgring and working hard for the party to suceed.

be it canvasing/door stepping
leafleting
attending rallys and meeting
fumd raising
etc.

any time of year and any weather for the cause, some will have possibly voted for starmer as leader because of the pledges he made during his campaign.

so these are commited labour people over decades who have felt betrated by his lies and dupicity, his near stalinist purge of anyone who doesn't fit or voices opinions that differ to his, the cosying up to certain affiliates that are more right leaning economically and socially than labour should be.

personally once he appointed that awful slimely **** mandelson he lost any faith he wanted to heal party division or bring about a balanced labour agenda that will see less privatisation and focus on fixing communities and regenration of the north

So I won't be voting for Labour at national level, however I will vote for Burnham if he stands again, and if the next labour mayoral candidate is attuned to my belief in what I would want from them I will vote for them and I will continue to vote for my Local Councilors who are good labour people, blues and do all they can for my area.

This isn't about hating labour, it is about feeling abandoned by the national party and lied to and fooled.
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Sums it up well.

The last 4 or 5 elections i have leafleted in the wind and rain, I have done my bit and like you will vote for Burnham and my local councillor.

Nationally I want to vote for something I believe in not vote to keep out something I don't believe in. Voting lesser of two evils is not a democratic choice.

Like you I do not hate Labour, but I feel Labour hates me.
 
urban genie said:
i can guarentee those on here presently labour or ex labour critical of starmer will have at some time spent a lot of time fighting and working hard for the party to suceed.

be it canvasing/door stepping
leafleting
attending rallys and meetings
fund raising
etc.

any time of year and any weather for the cause, some will have possibly voted for starmer as leader because of the pledges he made during his campaign.

so these are commited labour people over decades who have felt betrated by his lies and dupicity, his near stalinist purge of anyone who doesn't fit or voices opinions that differ to his, the cosying up to certain affiliates that are more right leaning economically and socially than labour should be.

personally once he appointed that awful slimely **** mandelson he lost any faith he wanted to heal party division or bring about a balanced labour agenda that will see less privatisation and focus on fixing communities and regenration of the north

So I won't be voting for Labour at national level, however I will vote for Burnham if he stands again, and if the next labour mayoral candidate is attuned to my belief in what I would want from them I will vote for them and I will continue to vote for my Local Councilors who are good labour people, blues and do all they can for my area.

This isn't about hating labour, it is about feeling abandoned by the national party and lied to and fooled.
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Sums it up for me too, I did all this for Labour in 17 & 19 as they strongly reflected my views as what society should be.

I won’t be leafleting or campaigning for them this time around, nor have I been a member since Starmer started his back tracking from the 2019 manifesto on which he made many promises.

I will however be voting for them, as they are currently the best option for everyone, but unlike 97 when Blair strutted in to number 10 and I had so much excitement at the possibilities of what we could become, when Starmer wanders down that same route (minus D-Ream blasting away) I won’t feel the same way, and that’s such a shame.
 
So education, education, education
Asbo 2.0
NHS reboot with PPI involved
Economic regeneration
Climate change

4 out of 5 he has just coppied and pasted from 1996 campaigns the last one is an unavoidable necessity all partys should be focusing on anyway

the man is an empty space when it comes to inovation and ideas for a future britain.
 
urban genie said:
So education, education, education
Asbo 2.0
NHS reboot with PPI involved
Economic regeneration
Climate change

4 out of 5 he has just coppied and pasted from 1996 campaigns the last one is an unavoidable necessity all partys should be focusing on anyway

the man is an empty space when it comes to inovation and ideas for a future britain.
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Still maintaining the 90s tribute act.

Tories stuck in the 1880s and Blue Labour in the 1990s.

Wheres the party for today that woos the electorate with hope over hate. Aspiration over desperation?

Vote Labour and get slightly less austerity than the Tories.
 
Lowtower said:
Sums it up for me too, I did all this for Labour in 17 & 19 as they strongly reflected my views as what society should be.

I won’t be leafleting or campaigning for them this time around, nor have I been a member since Starmer started his back tracking from the 2019 manifesto on which he made many promises.

I will however be voting for them, as they are currently the best option for everyone, but unlike 97 when Blair strutted in to number 10 and I had so much excitement at the possibilities of what we could become, when Starmer wanders down that same route (minus D-Ream blasting away) I won’t feel the same way, and that’s such a shame.
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I leafeted in blairs time even though I disagreed with a lot he did, I leafeted for Browns administration and millibands run.

None of these promised renationalisation of transport, Bringing energy companies back into governement and many other things I would like from Labour.

Starmer on the other hand is a blatant liar, hypocrite and panders to any fucker he thinks aides his cause, while stabing people in the back.

I won't campaign for labour in the GE because he is a twat, I will campaign for the metro mayor and local councilors and leaflet.

This ain't about Corbyn or 17-19 for many as is liked to be painted. especialy as I didn't like corbyn either
 
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TinFoilHat said:
Still maintaining the 90s tribute act.

Tories stuck in the 1880s and Blue Labour in the 1990s.

Wheres the party for today that woos the electorate with hope over hate. Aspiration over desperation?

Vote Labour and get slightly less austerity than the Tories.
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Probably about the same level of austerity as the conservatives in 2010. Lied and cynically said whatever to grab power in the party and the country. I honestly can't think of another politician aside from Boris that has behaved as cynically and lied so much in the last 5 years.
Unfortunately we'll still have to vote for him to get rid of the current shower.
 
urban genie said:
So education, education, education
Asbo 2.0
NHS reboot with PPI involved
Economic regeneration
Climate change

4 out of 5 he has just coppied and pasted from 1996 campaigns the last one is an unavoidable necessity all partys should be focusing on anyway

the man is an empty space when it comes to inovation and ideas for a future britain.
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Say what you like about Starmer but Streeting is the real fox in the chicken coop. He was on the Andrew Marr show and came out with this, when asked about Bernie Sanders saying political parties must stand with the working class: 'With respect to Bernie Sanders if he'd have won the Democratic nomination he wouldn't have beat Donald trump... America would be under Trumpism!'

In itself it’s a shocker of a statement but also proves what a know nothing he is. There’s much credible evidence that Saunders would have beaten Trump and the world might look somewhat different, had that happened.
Still, a shadow health secretary, representing the Labour Party, taking donations from MPM connect, a company that not only lobbies on privatisation of healthcare but actively seeks out NHS trained medics to join their ‘transition from NHS to private practice’, really needs to be moved on in case he ever gets his hands anywhere near the tiller of power. I fear however he’s just the next Tory light cab off the rank with no ambition to make this country’s worse off, any better off, whilst continuing the tradition of making the very well off, much more well off!
 
urban genie said:
So education, education, education
Asbo 2.0
NHS reboot with PPI involved
Economic regeneration
Climate change

4 out of 5 he has just coppied and pasted from 1996 campaigns the last one is an unavoidable necessity all partys should be focusing on anyway

the man is an empty space when it comes to inovation and ideas for a future britain.
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Is it not just the same things are an issue after too long with a Conservative Govt?
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Say what you like about Starmer but Streeting is the real fox in the chicken coop. He was on the Andrew Marr show and came out with this, when asked about Bernie Sanders saying political parties must stand with the working class: 'With respect to Bernie Sanders if he'd have won the Democratic nomination he wouldn't have beat Donald trump... America would be under Trumpism!'

In itself it’s a shocker of a statement but also proves what a know nothing he is. There’s much credible evidence that Saunders would have beaten Trump and the world might look somewhat different, had that happened.
Still, a shadow health secretary, representing the Labour Party, taking donations from MPM connect, a company that not only lobbies on privatisation of healthcare but actively seeks out NHS trained medics to join their ‘transition from NHS to private practice’, really needs to be moved on in case he ever gets his hands anywhere near the tiller of power. I fear however he’s just the next Tory light cab off the rank with no ambition to make this country’s worse off, any better off, whilst continuing the tradition of making the very well off, much more well off!
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Streeting is a horrible snide little **** and another reason along with starmer and reeves why I cannot vote nationally for them.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Is it not just the same things are an issue after too long with a Conservative Govt?
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He is offering what cameron offered, a watered down form of conservatism with "tough choices"

I have heard nothing he has said that will improve lives of those most in need, he steers clear of talking about poverty, food banks, energy companies and fat cats and helping small business.

tell me exactly what the 5 missions parameter and plans are? there is none and that is the problem he is soundbite and fuck all else.

As has been said he is the anyones better than these tories vote, if the cunts in charge had got themselves organised and not fucked about the last 3 years he wouldn't be able to attract half of the 20% lead he has.
 
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This is exactly why I state with confidence there is a fag paper between who we vote into government.

There are all the same, just waving a different coloured flag in your face.

Always has been and always will be.

Why? Because nothing by else is electorally viable. You appeal to the centre, be economically just to the left but appeal to a majority that is socially just to the right and you are on to a winner.

It will never change.
 
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